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Another step toward world government (United Nations New World Order)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39172 ^ | June 28, 2004 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 06/28/2004 10:42:43 AM PDT by take

Another step toward world government

Conservatives, alarmed over the erosion of American sovereignty, suffered another setback this week.

The New York Times describes the defeat: "The United States bowed Wednesday to broad opposition on the Security Council and announced it was dropping its effort to gain immunity for its troops from prosecution by the International Criminal Court."

It is a victory for the New World Order, and internationalists see it as such. Both the Financial Times ("U.S. Retreats on Bid for War Crimes Immunity") and The New York Times ("U.S. Drops Plan to Exempt G.I.s from U.N. Court") elevated it to the front-page lead story on June 24.

Several factors brought about the U.S. defeat. NATO allies Spain, Germany and France abandoned us. U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan called for an end to immunity for U.S. troops. And the Abu Ghraib prison scandal undermined the case for any exemptions from war crimes trials for America soldiers.

The prospect of U.S. soldiers being led in handcuffs before the ICC to be prosecuted for war crimes, while Washington impotently wails, is, of course, remote. But Americans had better wake up and smell the coffee. A global bureaucracy is steadily tying this nation down with tiny strands, just as Gulliver was tied down by the little men on that beach in Lilliput.

Globalists are elated and cocky over our defeat. Reports the FT: "International human-rights groups welcomed the Security Council's refusal to extend the immunity resolution.

'''The rule of law has been reinforced: that international law applies equally to all countries,' said William Pace, head of the Coalition for an International Criminal Court."

What is wrong with Pace's contention? Just this. The United States opposed creation of the ICC. And the president and Congress have rejected its claims to jurisdiction over U.S. armed forces. By what right, then, does the ICC claim such jurisdiction?

Can a tribunal be set up and assert a right to prosecute U.S. citizens and soldiers without our permission? In the World Government rising, apparently our consent is not required for us to be subject to a criminal tribunal whose sovereignty supercedes our own. Americans had best discover what these internationalists are up to, or our grandchildren may one day wake up and find out Granddad was napping while they lost forever what their ancestors had won for them on the battlefields of Saratoga and Yorktown.

Consider the claims being made and accepted by nations, by international organizations and by civil servants no one ever elected.

The U.N., a U.S. creation, is now claiming the right to determine when, where and whether the United States may go to war. Secretary General Kofi Annan, a U.N. bureaucrat from a failed state, Ghana, is telling us that U.S. soldiers must be subject to prosecution by a U.N. war-crimes tribunal with jurisdiction we have never accepted.

The World Trade organization, established in 1994 when Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich signed onto Bill Clinton's GATT treaty, ordered President Bush to lift U.S. steel tariffs or face fines, and President Bush meekly complied. Now, the WTO has ordered Congress to end tax breaks for major U.S. exporters and authorized the EU to impose tariffs on U.S. goods – which the EU has done. Now, Congress is rushing to comply.

Has no one considered imposing reciprocal tariffs on the EU and telling it the ball is in its court? Europe, after all, runs a huge trade surplus with us. They are the ones who should fear a trade war.

The question here is not only what is decided, but who decides. Why should laws enacted by Congress and signed by the president be subject to any review, other than by our own Supreme Court?

This year, another U.N. power grab, over the world's oceans and their resources, almost succeeded, until conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Frank Gaffney raised the roof. U.S. accession to the U.N. Law of the Sea Treaty was then interred in Senate committee. The Law of the Sea Treaty was a resurrected version of the one Ronald Reagan had torpedoed in 1983. They keep coming back.

Americans seem unaware that all these institutions with the high-sounding names – the United Nations, World Trade Organization, the Kyoto Protocols, the International Criminal Court, the Law of the Sea Treaty, the North American Free Trade Agreement, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank – have one grand strategic purpose:

To assert the superior sovereignty of international organizations over the government of the United States, to restrict and conscript our power for their purposes and to transfer the wealth of the American nation and people to international civil servants – for their consumption and redistribution.

In the name of humanity, these glorified thieves would rob us of our heritage. We are fools if we let it happen.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: buchanan; icc; nations; new; nwo; order; patbuchanan; un; united; world
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1 posted on 06/28/2004 10:42:45 AM PDT by take
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To: take

Earth to Pat: The UN can't do anything when (not if) we say "no."


2 posted on 06/28/2004 10:44:20 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: take
The UN and what army?
3 posted on 06/28/2004 10:46:03 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: r9etb

bs O'Connor: U.S. must rely on foreign law
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35367


4 posted on 06/28/2004 10:47:08 AM PDT by take
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To: r9etb

America is going to learn the hard way that the United Nations works against it's interest.

Our politicians are nothing but fools.

Look at most of the laws passed lately, that are unconstitutional.

Most of them are done by reports that the delegations of the United Nations make up.

These reports become laws in America.

Congress is so easily lead by these reports that they base their opinions on to vote by.

Most of them go along with them this international world government.

Just look at the rulings of the Supreme Courts. Some of them say we should go by international law.

And Congress members changing our tax laws. Because the WTO says we have to.

THe WTO meets in secret and we don't know who sits on the board, but yet they are making all our trade laws.

Like I said, their Fools.


a package of 34 treaties, all of which were ratified by a show of hands -- no recorded vote.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a325b3f5d31.htm



Annan in historic meeting with Supreme Court &Congress/is believed to be unprecedented.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b0c30a81760.htm


5 posted on 06/28/2004 10:51:04 AM PDT by take
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To: take
I'd take this article seriously, except for two minor issues:

1. It's written by Pat Buchanan.

2. It's published in WorldNetDaily.

6 posted on 06/28/2004 10:53:01 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

What is World Trade Organization?


7 posted on 06/28/2004 10:53:47 AM PDT by take
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To: take

8 posted on 06/28/2004 10:59:06 AM PDT by Militiaman7 (Past time to get mad, angry. We need to get MEDIVAL!)
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To: r9etb

"I believe the overall goal of their movement is to completely do away with the U.S. Constitution and in its place, install socialist/totalitarian rule over America. Furthermore, I believe they wish to do away with our national sovereignty altogether and subject America to domination by the U.N. and other world bodies." Statement by Jim Robinson Regarding the State of our Free Republic http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1004710/posts


9 posted on 06/28/2004 10:59:12 AM PDT by take
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To: r9etb
Earth to Pat: The UN can't do anything when (not if) we say "no."

You are just fooling yourself if you think there is no "if".

10 posted on 06/28/2004 11:01:49 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: Caipirabob
The UN and what army?

There are more people in the Chinese army than in the entire US.

11 posted on 06/28/2004 11:03:18 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: r9etb
I'd take this article seriously, except for two minor issues:

Most rational people would likely be of the opposite opinion.

12 posted on 06/28/2004 11:06:04 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: take
Americans seem unaware that all these institutions with the high-sounding names – the United Nations, World Trade Organization, the Kyoto Protocols, the International Criminal Court, the Law of the Sea Treaty, the North American Free Trade Agreement, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank – have one grand strategic purpose: To assert the superior sovereignty of international organizations over the government of the United States, to restrict and conscript our power for their purposes and to transfer the wealth of the American nation and people to international civil servants – for their consumption and redistribution.

Thanks Pat. Of course we have to deal with individuals here that have no idea of the damage these groups yield on us Americans. They remind me of the kool-aid followers of Michael Moore. Again, this UN works against the nation on all fronts & we support because this "Two-Party Cartel" owned & controlled by the elites make it possible. Only when the people make their list to the pols of what we will tolerate & if not done not be our reps - then we can take back America.

13 posted on 06/28/2004 11:09:43 AM PDT by Digger
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To: eskimo
Most rational people would likely be of the opposite opinion.

LOL! If "rational" is defined by Pat Buchanan and WND, count me out.

14 posted on 06/28/2004 11:10:18 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
LOL! If "rational" is defined by Pat Buchanan and WND, count me out.

LOL! I already did.

15 posted on 06/28/2004 11:14:32 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: eskimo
"There are more people in the Chinese army than in the entire US."

Good, and what does that have to do with anything?
How are they going to get here? Walk?

16 posted on 06/28/2004 11:15:15 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: eskimo

Ouch! You got me with that one. ;-)


17 posted on 06/28/2004 11:18:51 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: eskimo; Caipirabob

Superior numbers in the Chinese army don't mean a thing at this stage, but we'll give them another 5-10 years.
We should be much more worried about our elected officials in DC.


18 posted on 06/28/2004 11:21:02 AM PDT by babaloo999 (Liberals say they're "Progressive". So is cancer.)
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To: BlueLancer
How are they going to get here? Walk?

Do you really believe that if the UN and the global money mongers who own and operate the Washington establishment want them here that they won't get here?

19 posted on 06/28/2004 11:22:26 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: eskimo
"...and the global money mongers who own and operate the Washington establishment ..."

Michael Moore, is that you?
Or is that Ralph Nader pretending to be Michael Moore?

20 posted on 06/28/2004 11:24:10 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: r9etb
LOL! If "rational" is defined by Pat Buchanan and WND, count me out.

Ad hominem statements about the author or publisher of a piece do not disprove the truth of its content. The reference to WND is particularly irrelevant since they merely published the piece. State one thing in Pat's article that you disagree with and explain why. Regardless of your personal opinion of him, Pat is right on the money with this editorial.

21 posted on 06/28/2004 11:30:37 AM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: take

"Why should laws enacted by Congress and signed by the president be subject to any review, other than by our own Supreme Court?"

Exactly. Why do we put up with this? What is in it for America? Why fund and continue to aid these organizations?


22 posted on 06/28/2004 11:30:45 AM PDT by PersonalLiberties (...)
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To: take; fivetoes; Trteamer

Like we needed more reasons to get out of the UN...


23 posted on 06/28/2004 11:36:55 AM PDT by softengine (Life is like a roll of toilet paper.....The closer you get to the end, the faster it goes.)
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To: BlueLancer
Michael Moore, is that you?

Or is that Ralph Nader pretending to be Michael Moore?

Perhaps you need to get your head out of that dark place and see for yourself.

24 posted on 06/28/2004 11:48:18 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: babaloo999
Superior numbers in the Chinese army don't mean a thing at this stage, but we'll give them another 5-10 years. We should be much more worried about our elected officials in DC.

Not sure we have that long. Many believe that whichever establishment faction (Dem/GOP) is installed next will likely make massive concessions to the UN, and we may even see the formal beginnings of a UN Army.

25 posted on 06/28/2004 11:49:45 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: eskimo
Heck, it's bright and sunny here ...

Perhaps you need to unwrap the tin-foil from around your head ... it seems to be constricting your mental facilities, such as they are.

26 posted on 06/28/2004 11:50:13 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: take

I have a good way to counter this. Congress can pass a law that states anyone involved in indicting, trying, or overseeing the trial in the International Court of any U.S. citizen will be guilty of a felony punishable by death. Said persons to be actively apprhended by U.S. authorities using any means at their disposal.


27 posted on 06/28/2004 11:50:50 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: BlueLancer
Perhaps you need to unwrap the tin-foil from around your head ...

Oh no! You are one of those "tin-foil" fanatics. You can't just scream TIN-FOIL every time the reality of the day is in direct conflict with your personal beliefs.

28 posted on 06/28/2004 11:55:14 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: take

Signs of the "times"! What is next???


29 posted on 06/28/2004 11:59:00 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: BlueLancer
Perhaps you need to unwrap the tin-foil from around your head ...

I should have stated that you can't do that and seem rational.

30 posted on 06/28/2004 11:59:53 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: eskimo

The UN wants every inch of this earth under their power
and they will get it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist
to see where we're headed.


31 posted on 06/28/2004 12:05:04 PM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: Texas Federalist
Ad hominem statements about the author or publisher of a piece do not disprove the truth of its content.

It is not ad hominem to note that Pat Buchanan and WorldNetDaily have by their own writings and practices demonstrated that they are not to be trusted as unbiased and helpful commentators on world events. I see no need to waste effort on Mr. Buchanan beyond my original post.

32 posted on 06/28/2004 12:05:09 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: take

US out of the UN, UN out of the US. The first step is to cut current funding by 100%.


33 posted on 06/28/2004 12:22:27 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: r9etb
It is not ad hominem to note that Pat Buchanan and WorldNetDaily have by their own writings and practices demonstrated that they are not to be trusted as unbiased and helpful commentators on world events.

I guess it depends on one's expectations. If one expects liberal media corroborating politically correct tripe or political party pablum, any objective opinion buttressed by historical fact could seem biased.

34 posted on 06/28/2004 12:26:04 PM PDT by eskimo
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To: take

I see Pat is still off his meds.


35 posted on 06/28/2004 12:27:14 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: Digger

We support it due to liberal guilt combined with the simple fact that the idea appeared to come from US liberal intellectuals at the end of WW2 (but of course suggested to them by KGB implants). There is a lot of stupid momentum to keep it going. There is too much smearing of anyone who wants to end the UN - we are all labeled "tin foil Birchers" whether or not we have ever had a thing to do with the JBS (which I personally have not...). What is missing is the fact that there is indeed an academic argument, increasingly being stated by conservatives, that there is no end to great wars, and the sooner we accept that reality, the easier the coming century will be. On the other hand, should we cling to the naive, utopian, farce that it is possible to launch one's self beyond the end of history, and enter some magical period of lasting peace, we are in for a rude awakening that would make us yearn for a fate as kind as that which befell France in 1870 or the UK in 1940.


36 posted on 06/28/2004 12:30:12 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: FlipWilson

You forgot one small detail - the US $1M reward! ;)


37 posted on 06/28/2004 12:31:56 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: eskimo
any objective opinion buttressed by historical fact could seem biased.

Pat suggests that Hitler's Germany posed no physical threat to the United States, and that we should therefore have not fought them in WWII. Enough said.

38 posted on 06/28/2004 12:35:08 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Pat suggests that Hitler's Germany posed no physical threat to the United States, and that we should therefore have not fought them in WWII. Enough said.

I read the whole article; I didn't see that anywhere. Where did you find this statement?

39 posted on 06/28/2004 12:44:41 PM PDT by eskimo
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To: eskimo
He outlined that particular idea in his book, A Republic, Not an Empire.

Based on your comments to me, I presumed that you had knowledge of Mr. Buchanan's other positions. It appears that is not the case.

40 posted on 06/28/2004 12:49:56 PM PDT by r9etb
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Based on your comments to me, I presumed that you had knowledge of Mr. Buchanan's other positions. It appears that is not the case.

I must admit, I have never read that book. I had no preconceived prejudice to distract me from discussing the article presented in an objective fashion.

Have you read that book? Are you certain you correctly evaluated the surrounding context of the statement you paraphrased?

41 posted on 06/28/2004 1:08:16 PM PDT by eskimo
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It is not ad hominem to note that Pat Buchanan and WorldNetDaily have by their own writings and practices demonstrated that they are not to be trusted as unbiased and helpful commentators on world events. I see no need to waste effort on Mr. Buchanan beyond my original post.

You just proved eskimo's point relating to you rationality. Oh, and you might want to look up the meaning of "ad hominem".

42 posted on 06/28/2004 1:27:48 PM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: take

bttt


43 posted on 06/28/2004 1:28:47 PM PDT by Donaeus (We will always: remember, be proud, be prepared, so we may always be free. --President Ronald Reagan)
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To: eskimo
Do you really believe that if the UN and the global money mongers who own and operate the Washington establishment want them here that they won't get here?

Would that be the Gnomes of Zurich or the Elders of Zion?

44 posted on 06/28/2004 1:34:26 PM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: eskimo; r9etb
Eskimo - r9etb is trying to prove that because Pat has some views on some topics that are wrong, that ALL his views on ALL topics are wrong. If he can somehow float this non sequitur, then he thinks he can get himself off the hook with having to explain his differences with Pat on this particular article.

Hate to use a cliche, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You need additional facts to tell whether it is showing the wrong time beyond the fact that it doesn't work.

45 posted on 06/28/2004 1:36:29 PM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: Texas Federalist

Actually, I just don't pay attention to Pat Buchanan anymore. Same with WND. It's not worth the trouble.


46 posted on 06/28/2004 1:38:33 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
You know, it's interesting. A lot of conservatives seem to believe that the UN is both hopelessly corrupt and incompetent while at the same time believing that it will take over the world and use Chinese troops to conquer the US.

It seems that the two views of the UN are mutually exclusive, if one is rational.

47 posted on 06/28/2004 1:39:12 PM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Modernman
You know, it's interesting. A lot of conservatives seem to believe that the UN is both hopelessly corrupt and incompetent while at the same time believing that it will take over the world and use Chinese troops to conquer the US.

LOL! Sorta like the bad guys in an Ayn Rand novel...

48 posted on 06/28/2004 1:40:48 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: eskimo
There are more people in the Chinese army than in the entire US.

Completely false.

49 posted on 06/28/2004 1:46:08 PM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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To: r9etb
LOL! Sorta like the bad guys in an Ayn Rand novel...

I believe the UN IS trying to take over the world, but since they're hopelessly corrupt and incompetent, I'm not too worried about their chances of suceeding.

50 posted on 06/28/2004 1:47:03 PM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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