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Unfairenheit 9/11 [Hitchens on Moore - Slate!]
Slate Online ^ | June 21, 2004 | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 06/29/2004 12:22:26 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi

The lies of Michael Moore.

One of the many problems with the American left, and indeed of the American left, has been its image and self-image as something rather too solemn, mirthless, herbivorous, dull, monochrome, righteous, and boring. How many times, in my old days at The Nation magazine, did I hear wistful and semienvious ruminations? Where was the radical Firing Line show? Who will be our Rush Limbaugh? I used privately to hope that the emphasis, if the comrades ever got around to it, would be on the first of those and not the second. But the meetings themselves were so mind-numbing and lugubrious that I thought the danger of success on either front was infinitely slight.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: fairenheit; hitchens; moore
Whew, I barely got thru this long-winded screed. Hitchens needs an editor.
1 posted on 06/29/2004 12:22:26 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: vishnu6
Hey be nice. I did read your short synopsis and criticism.
3 posted on 06/29/2004 12:35:42 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I know it's a good article, but I think the previous four postings of it ought to have us covered. ;-)
4 posted on 06/29/2004 12:40:23 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
one of the great sagging blimps of our sorry, mediocre, celeb-rotten culture.

Perfect description of Moore...if the medium is the message, then Michael Moore's appearance says alot about cultural rot and sloppy self-hatred. He looks like the radical left sounds!

5 posted on 06/29/2004 12:43:58 PM PDT by foreshadowed at waco
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To: Snuffington; admin

Whoa! Not only can't I get through comic books but I can't use the search engine either. I must have misspelled Fairenheit. Let's have this one pulled by Admin Monitor.


6 posted on 06/29/2004 12:47:58 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Bias is an equal opportunity offender and consumers are not without options when it comes to Michael Moore's Hollywood firestorm. Until someone comes up with a counter propaganda equivalent there's these guys - as they put it, "boycotters know that the way to combat bias is simply to not support it."

http://www.geocities.com/truthmasters/watch04-2.html#0628


7 posted on 06/29/2004 12:55:14 PM PDT by prfix
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To: prfix

"Bias is an equal opportunity offender and consumers are not without options when it comes to Michael Moore's Hollywood firestorm. Until someone comes up with a counter propaganda equivalent there's these guys - as they put it, "boycotters know that the way to combat bias is simply to not support it."

Yes, let's not give our hard earned conservative bucks to Mr. Moore and friends to use in making liamentaries and other propaganda vessels. I don't intend to contribute to his cause by watching anything that he is affiliated with.....I don't care what it is! I don't have to be entertained constantly, and especially not by Hollywood Liberals. There are other programs... other movies to watch and a world of great books to read and listen to and..... there is always Free Republic, for news, information and entertainment. :)

BTW, does anyone know if Gary Sinese (sp?) is a conservative?


9 posted on 06/29/2004 1:42:51 PM PDT by rotundusmaximus
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To: vishnu6

I love Hitchens, but he does need an editor. I read his good book on Orwell and as much as I enjoyed it, that was my primary citicism of it. Someone can be good and yet need an editor! He is one of them.


10 posted on 06/29/2004 1:47:30 PM PDT by twigs
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To: prfix

I just clicked on the link in your post. I congratulate you and all those involved. I am from Atlanta and never buy the Atlanta Journal and Constitution, known far and wide by its true name...The Atlanta Urinal and Constipation. When the Journal and Constitution call our home to offer a subscription my husband and I always give them an earfull and end the conversation by saying we wouldn't have your paper if you gave it to us!


11 posted on 06/29/2004 1:57:32 PM PDT by rotundusmaximus
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To: jbeachgrl5

I loved every word of it. Think Fatass will have the courage to take Hitchens up on his offer to debate? I certainly would not hold my breath.


12 posted on 06/29/2004 2:33:08 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: rotundusmaximus
good for you rotundusmaximus. thats how i feel about the LA Times. seems like we're entering the age of a propaganda free-for-all and boycotts are going to be a bigger factor. Time to join up!
13 posted on 06/29/2004 3:08:34 PM PDT by prfix
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Hey be nice. I did read your short synopsis and criticism.

Did you read down to this part?

But if you leave out absolutely everything that might give your "narrative" a problem and throw in any old rubbish that might support it, and you don't even care that one bit of that rubbish flatly contradicts the next bit, and you give no chance to those who might differ, then you have betrayed your craft. If you flatter and fawn upon your potential audience, I might add, you are patronizing them and insulting them. By the same token, if I write an article and I quote somebody and for space reasons put in an ellipsis like this (…), I swear on my children that I am not leaving out anything that, if quoted in full, would alter the original meaning or its significance. Those who violate this pact with readers or viewers are to be despised. At no point does Michael Moore make the smallest effort to be objective. At no moment does he pass up the chance of a cheap sneer or a jeer. He pitilessly focuses his camera, for minutes after he should have turned it off, on a distraught and bereaved mother whose grief we have already shared. (But then, this is the guy who thought it so clever and amusing to catch Charlton Heston, in Bowling for Columbine, at the onset of his senile dementia.) Such courage.
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Chris Hitchens is a liberal, make no mistake about it, but he went after Sidney Blumenthal -- and is still after him -- for taking Hitchens and his wife to lunch and regaling them, operationally, with the "stalker Monica" lie during the Clinton sex scandal, right before the word got out about the stained blue dress that proved Clinton's, and Blumenthal's, words to be damnable, knowing lies.

Don't screw with Hitchens. He'll put up with fools, but not with people who try to play him. Moore has fallen into the latter category.

14 posted on 06/29/2004 3:41:11 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: rotundusmaximus
No particular reason, I have an impression Gary Sinise is a liberal.
15 posted on 06/29/2004 3:42:27 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: jbeachgrl5

Hitchens is always stellar, even when I disagree with him. He's a bit longwinded, but everything he says is said well. I'm a sucker for well-written prose.


16 posted on 06/29/2004 3:43:54 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well.....there you go again.")
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I downloaded 911 free from the Lion's Gate website last weekend, and watched it tonight. It utterly sucked. It was written and directed exclusively for the small-minded conspiracy theorist who is so blinded by their hatred for George Bush that logic ceases to bear relevance.

It was slow and dull, and mostly irrelevant. It was so exquisitely unintelligent, shrill and snide, one could squint their eyes and imagine Barbra Streisand and not Michael Moore on the other side of the lens.

Since F-911 is so unambiguously devoid of fairness and objectivity, reaction to this movie can serve as a barometer of common sense and decency. If you have a friend or family member who finds this film rewarding or edifying, do not trust them with your money, your children or your life. I do not exaggerate when I say that this film in its totality is more dishonest than the sum of all political advertising, ever. It will go down in history as Exhibit A--irrefutable evidence--of the unholy alliance between Hollywood and the socialist party in America.

17 posted on 06/30/2004 6:43:48 AM PDT by twgiles
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