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Mark Steyn: Hamburgers Yes, Federalism No
The Jerusalem Post ^ | June 30, 2004 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 06/30/2004 1:54:14 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: expatpat
Love Steyn, but it IS America's problem, look at Saddam, Mullah Omar of Afghanistan, Khameini of Iran.

You missed the word "benign". No one would call those three benign. Well, maybe Moore would but he doesn't count. Let me rephrase that, No sane person would call those three benign.

But a strongman running things can be a not bad way to go and was the way most of the world has been run through out history. I hate to put it this way but you have to grow to the place where you understand power and what it should and should not be used for before you are ready for true self rule or liberty.

If you have a feudal mindset it will not work. Which is the problem with most of South America and Africa and Asia and to an extent with Europe.

Can Iraq do it? Maybe, they have a better chance then most but if they choose otherwise, to return to a monarchy or some other form of government as long as it is benign it would not necessarily be a bad thing.

21 posted on 06/30/2004 6:07:57 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (You'll think twice about that when a 6' 250 lb Viking kitty with titanium claws comes calling.....)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
.....in the case of Canada and Australia you could argue that they were settlements rather then colonies

Now you're stretching -- they were similar to what preceded the US, and G. Washington et al sure thought of them as 'colonies'.

22 posted on 06/30/2004 6:30:56 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

You are right, I did miss 'benign'. Perhaps it's partly because I'm very cynical about the concept of a benign dictator. What's that old quote (Lord Macauley, I think): "Power corrupts, and absolute power......"


23 posted on 06/30/2004 6:34:16 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Slings and Arrows
Thank you for posting the entire article, unlike Mr. Annoying.

I'm not worried about exporting our values. We lead by example, and if the rest of the world didn't like how we live, they wouldn't be trying to immigrate here.

This may be the first time in over a year where I've had a different take on the situation than Steyn.

24 posted on 06/30/2004 6:38:06 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: A Longer Name

Like in San Francisco?


25 posted on 06/30/2004 6:46:10 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Slings and Arrows
"America" doesn't have the death penalty, so "America" can't abolish it.

There is a federal death penalty, and that's why Timothy McVeigh was executed. But I think he's the first person in about 25 years to be executed by the Feds. Most of those executed are indeed executed by the states.

26 posted on 06/30/2004 6:48:50 PM PDT by Koblenz (Not bad, not bad at all. -- Ronald Reagan, the Greatest President.)
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To: expatpat
G. Washington et al sure thought of them as 'colonies'.

As much as I hate to disagree with George the US was more settled then colonized, at least according to the modern usage of the term. Which means I likely don't disagree with him after all.

They used the term "settlers" and "colonist" pretty much interchangeably then.

27 posted on 06/30/2004 6:51:21 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (You'll think twice about that when a 6' 250 lb Viking kitty with titanium claws comes calling.....)
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To: Dog Gone

A couple of years ago, on a flight back from London, I got into a conversation with a man from the Netherlands who was criticizing the US for our consumption and penchant for large houses. I asked him why he was visiting the US,if he disliked us so much. He just shrugged and said, well I'm going to Alaska, that's different. No matter that he had already toured the rest of the US.


28 posted on 06/30/2004 6:53:00 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
I guess it's just a mind disease of liberals, no matter what their nationality. Even John Kerry doesn't own an SUV. His wife does.

They rail against the things they love and do themselves. It's utterly bizarre.

29 posted on 06/30/2004 6:58:58 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Eva
I asked him why he was visiting the US,if he disliked us so much.

I liked HL Mencken's answer to a similar question.

"For the same reason people go to the zoo."
30 posted on 06/30/2004 6:59:39 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: expatpat
There have been a few benign dictators, I've even lived under a couple. What they all had in common was a true love of their country. Even if they tended to look on their people as children who couldn't be trusted to run their own lives they didn't dislike them.

But you are right to be cynical, sort of. Like I said it is a feudal way of looking at things. But the power does not only flow one way in that system, it really does flow both ways with rights and responsibilities on both sides.

The "peasants" are looked after by the "lord" in return for part of their labor. A monarchy usually works better then a true dictatorship.

31 posted on 06/30/2004 7:04:01 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (You'll think twice about that when a 6' 250 lb Viking kitty with titanium claws comes calling.....)
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To: expatpat; Pokey78; *Mark Steyn list
Steyn was describing the gerneral American reaction; he is a self-described imperialist - he seems to support American imperialism as a much-preferable alternative to Euro-socialist imperialism, Chinese imperialism, Islamist imperialism, or any of the other ideologies that are likely to be exported to the world.

But he has been disappointed; America has no taste for imperial adventures.


To Pokey:

Oh look! A Steyn!

32 posted on 06/30/2004 7:26:16 PM PDT by NovemberCharlie
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To: Slings and Arrows

Thanks for Mark!


33 posted on 07/01/2004 12:35:45 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Thank you for posting the REST of the story.


34 posted on 07/03/2004 3:11:11 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: quidnunc

Why don't you do FR two favors by ceasing to post Steyn excerpted?

1. Stop wasting bandwidth by a partial post that is added to by another poster with the whole article, then added to many times over by the comments of people who are so grateful when the whole thing is posted on your partial thread

2. Stop aggravating the clientele by a partial post when a full post is allowed

Well, what say you?? Can you either post the whole nine yards, or leave it alone?


35 posted on 07/03/2004 3:14:19 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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GretchenM wrote: Why don't you do FR two favors by ceasing to post Steyn excerpted? 1. Stop wasting bandwidth by a partial post that is added to by another poster with the whole article, then added to many times over by the comments of people who are so grateful when the whole thing is posted on your partial thread 2. Stop aggravating the clientele by a partial post when a full post is allowed Well, what say you?? Can you either post the whole nine yards, or leave it alone?

Why don't you go boil your head?

36 posted on 07/03/2004 3:28:17 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: GretchenM
Well, what say you?? Can you either post the whole nine yards, or leave it alone?

Gretchen, Gretchen, Gretchen!

You must be new here. Quidnunc does this precisely so he can annoy decent people, like yourself.

This is a crucial component of his pitiful life - mining the Web for the finest articles, then chopping them into pieces so he can then lecture the Proletariat about his posting righteousness!

37 posted on 07/03/2004 4:02:32 PM PDT by Gritty ("As the rise of Michael Moore emphasises, this War can only be lost at home-Mark Steyn)
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To: Gritty

Not new here, signed on in 1998, but I felt obliged to put the question to the quid.

It's so indecorous and such a waste of everyone's time, energy, and money.

Why people want to get such negative attention is beyond me.


38 posted on 07/04/2004 8:23:13 AM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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