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"Free Speech" Allows Grizzly Beheading Video to Stay On Line
[Terror_Web] (Yahoo Group) ^ | June 30, 2004 | Jeremy Reynalds

Posted on 07/01/2004 2:59:21 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt

A California company has found a way to profit from the recent beheadings of Paul Johnson and Kim Sun-Il. 

By providing material support for al-Qaeda and terrorism, traffic to their hosted sites has exploded exponentially.  (Key provisions in the 'Patriot Act' against providing material support for terrorism w.r.t. the internet were nullified last month by a Federal Court in Idaho).  Free web server companies obtain revenue through increased bandwidth.

The FBI has been contacted. A spokesperson for the FBI disputes alegations that the government is keeping the sites on online (perhaps for monitoring or tracking IP information, etc.).

"Free Speech" Allows Grizzly Beheading Video to Stay On Line

-- Jeremy Reynalds,,  June 30, 2004

The last two beheadings of innocent victims by Islamic militants have been shown on the free web site pages of a hosting company called

Citing free speech (and now backed up by a court victory in another case), the operators of Hosting Anime continue to make available at the gruesome beheading video and still pictures of 33-year-old South Korean translator Kim Sun-Il.

Hosting Anime also hosts a number of other terror related sites. They include:,,  and

Pictures of engineer Paul Johnson after he was beheaded are still prominently displayed on, and is a web site with the same design and graphics as an al Qaeda site formerly known as

There is also, and

Hosting Anime has also hosted other terror sites that at the time of writing were not online. They included, and also -- dealing with the Al-Battar military camp - an on-line military magazine of the Saudi supporters of al-Qaeda.

Interestingly, there are also a couple of sites used by Sudan's foreign minister located at Sudanese Foreign Minister, Dr Mustafa Osman Ismail, located at and

According to its registration information, Hosting Anime is located at 8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd. in Westchester, CA 90045. However, the building manager for that address said that  Hosting Anime is not located at that address.

In addition, the telephone number provided for that address is not a Westchester area code  -- which is 310.

The Internet name registration service for is provided by, a service operated by Richard Kirkendall. NameCheap also lists its address as 8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd in Westchester,Ca.

Kirkendall's mother Irma Hernandez said her son lives part of the year in France and could only be reached by e-mail, but she explained the location situation by saying that the Sepulveda address is a mail drop she rented for her son's business.

Both Irma Hernandez and Kirkendall's father Sergio Hernandez said they were unaware of any connection between NameCheap and HostingAnime. As far as they knew their son was not involved with Hosting Anime, they said. 

Hernandez said a telephone number listed for contact information functions as a message retrieval service for Kirkendall.

Hernandez said that once her son discovered the content of some of the Hosting Anime sites he cancelled the domain name. However, she said, Kirkendall was subsequently contacted by the FBI and asked to reinstate the site to help authorities track its activity. That was disputed by Special Agent Jim Jensen of the FBI Phoenix Office.

Kirkendall did not immediately respond to an e-mailed  request for information for this story, nor did he return messages left at the contact number.

There is  no listing for Hosting Anime or Name Cheap in California state government business records, and no listing in the Lexis Nexis database under either American private or public companies and international companies.

If insurgents stay true to form, other beheadings appear likely to follow and perhaps even be featured on one of the Hosting Anime sites.

However, Jensen  said he is fairly certain that no one in the United States had anything to do with the beheadings. Both HostingAnime and CheapNames were "used," he said. 

While Hosting Anime did not respond to repeated messages asking for comment about the group's apparent hosting of these sites, a company official did comment on a Hosting Anime Forum site;  

In that forum, Hosting Anime was asked on June 18,
"Did you know your services are being used as the official web page for the group that beheaded the American in Saudi? I would hope your company is smart to remove this site from your database."
A Hosting Anime official initially thanked the individual for bringing fact that to his attention. When the site remained on line, another letter was written to Hosting Anime, (sic)
"This is ... pathetic. Delete it already. Block the freaking IP address. QUIT ALLOWING TERRORIST WEBSITES TO BE HOSTED ON YOUR SYSTEM FOR DAYS BEFORE YOU GET RID OF THEM. Block this IP, find all other ones, block them. You are American? Quit letting them spread their message unless you agree with what they do."
He received a shocking response ( from Hosting Anime.
"We will look into this manner when we have time, this is a free hosting company, and there are no profits being made, so that we can afford to sit and review all emails/abuse reports as this takes a large amount of time. Please give us time to get that done, in the mean time, please take the first amendment into consideration, free speech, just because you don't like the content of a site does that mean it should be shutdown?

"An email sent to me this morning I think is worth posting on the subject:
"Hey, screw those people that didn't like the site. They didn't have to go there to begin with, and whoever accused you of supporting terrorism has totally lost it. What about us who want to know why these people think the way they do and act the way they do ??? It's about communicating and I think it SUCKS that you cave to a few that would rather just throw a blanket over their head's and hope when they lift it off themselves, everything will be just fine. It makes me SICK !!'
"As stated, we will take a look into this site and see what can be done in good time."
In response to a further complaint, the Hosting Anime System Administrator wrote, (,
"Thank you for your additional comments on this matter, nothing can be done at this time, we will review the site and decide what is best.

"If you have looked at some of our users web pages, you will see that there are no banners/pop ups on our users pages, that means no income. If you don't want me to use that excuse, what excuse would you like to hear? It's either I lie to you or tell you the truth, I have told you the truth, if you don't accept that, feel free to imagine whatever you would like."
Jensen said the FBI has no power to force a company such as Hosting Anime to remove the images. "These are First Amendment rights issues and regardless of personal feelings we just cannot shut down a site based upon our personal dislike," he said. "People have a right to say what they like, even to the disdain of everyone else."

Jensen would not provide contact information for the owners of Hosting Anime.

With evident frustration in his voice about how his hands are tied when it comes to dealing with this sort of  "free expression," Jensen talked about the case of Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, a 34-year-old Ph.D. candidate in computer science at the University of Idaho

On June 10, the Associated Press (AP) reported, a jury acquitted the Saudi man of charges that he used his computer expertise to help Muslim terrorists raise money and recruit followers.

The case against Al-Hussayen, the AP reported, was seen as an important test of a provision of the Patriot Act that makes it a crime to provide expert advice or assistance to terrorists.

Al-Hussayen set up and ran Web sites that prosecutors said were used to recruit terrorists, raise money and disseminate inflammatory rhetoric, the AP reported. Prosecutors said that the sites included religious edicts justifying suicide bombings and an invitation to contribute financially to Hamas, a militant Palestinian organization.

However, Al-Hussayen's attorneys argued that the material was protected by the First Amendment right to freedom of expression and was not intended to raise money or recruit extremists, the AP reported.

"I hope the message is that the First Amendment is important and meaningful in this country," David Nevin, the defense attorney for Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, told the AP.

Jensen added that it would be easier to shut down sites like those hosted by Hosting Anime if they provided step by step instructions on how to commit a crime. Even then, he said, "nothing could be done about it till something happens."

Hosting Anime appears to host its terror sites by renting space on the servers of the Houston based Everyone's Internet, which has hosted sites in the past for groups such as the Hamas.

Everyone's Internet did not return an e- mail seeking comment.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: beheading; gim; globalislamicmedia; hostinganime; internet; islamicviolence; jihadinamerica; kimsunil; namecheap; pauljohnson; talibanlist; zionist
Anyone have any more info on HostingAnime and who is behind that company?
1 posted on 07/01/2004 2:59:22 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt
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To: JohnathanRGalt
I thought this was talking about the beheading of a bear...

The correct spelling is "grisly".

2 posted on 07/01/2004 3:03:29 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: JohnathanRGalt

It has been awhile, good to see you are still at it.

3 posted on 07/01/2004 3:06:34 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

The videos are on several websites.

I don't understand the problem.

They should be on the web for those who want to see the barbarism. Otherwise, we would never really know. The major media sure won't tell us. They won't even show Saddam and sons' tortures and mayhem.

The Internet has allot of garbage, but it also has the truth that the media hides.

4 posted on 07/01/2004 3:53:41 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 30 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: CA Conservative
The correct spelling is "grisly".

Ooops, the spell checker couldn't catch that one. How embarassing -- it's already gone out to the wires too.

5 posted on 07/01/2004 3:57:20 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: ----)
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To: TomGuy
The videos are on several websites.
I don't understand the problem.
I have no problem with those other sites. Maybe I need to make this point a little clearer. The difference is that these particular sites are really connected to al-Qaeda.  The production of these sites is by GIM (GlobalIslamicMedia) which is directly connected to al-Zarqawi. They actually committed the beheadings, took the videos for the express purpose of putting it on the web and uploaded them to the HostingAnime sites first.  Those other sites are just carrying copies. The people who uploaded the videos are accomplices to murder.
They should be on the web for those who want to see the barbarism. Otherwise, we would never really know. The major media sure won't tell us. They won't even show Saddam and sons' tortures and mayhem.

The Internet has allot of garbage, but it also has the truth that the media hides.
I agree 100%!  The media spent weeks offending our sensibilities and inflaming the Arab world with photos of abu-Ghraib -- yet they won't show attrocities committed against Americans & Koreans because it might offend our sensibilities and inflame US.  It's all part of our media's lying spin machine.
6 posted on 07/01/2004 4:26:26 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: ----)
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To: admin

Can you change the spelling in the title?

7 posted on 07/01/2004 4:28:07 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: *JIHAD IN AMERICA; Imperialist; sheik yerbouty; lobo59; appalachian_dweller; StillProud2BeFree; ...
Jehadi Cyberwar ping.
Let me know if you want on or off>

8 posted on 07/01/2004 4:39:39 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: ----)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

i find that forum link - discussion board on HostingAnime very interesting.
The logic for leaving these sites online are truly astounding.

So, how far does free speech go these days?

Thanks for posting this Mr. Galt.



9 posted on 07/01/2004 5:43:28 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: JohnathanRGalt
I am not sure I make the connection of how keeping the videos available for all to see helps the terrorist. To the contrary, it would seem to me that if more people saw them they would be repelled by the terrorists actions.

On the other side of this argument, should be not be able to see the atrocities that Saddam committed on prisoners. If you have not seen this video, I think it is still up at Saddam's crimes (scroll down the page, on the right next to photo of Saddam).

This is very chilling evidence of exactly the kind of horror Saddam inflicted. It should be seen. But warning, it is very, very graphic.

10 posted on 07/01/2004 5:50:27 PM PDT by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Start Charging for Email - You get 2000 a month for free, then you pay!)
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Kirkendall's mother Irma Hernandez said her son lives part of the year in France

It figures.

Hey, I was also wondering what Grizzly Bears had to do with this......

11 posted on 07/01/2004 6:08:13 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: JohnathanRGalt; JustPiper; Jill St Claire; StillProud2BeFree


The production of these sites is by GIM (GlobalIslamicMedia) which is directly connected to al-Zarqawi.

Note: as Johnathan states... the problem is not with the "other sites" hosting the beheading videos, but with the AL-QAEDA affiliated sites.

12 posted on 07/01/2004 7:18:53 PM PDT by cgk (3000+ 9/11. Pearl, Fallujah, Berg, Jacobs, Scroggs, Johnson, Sun-il, Maupin Never forget Never Again)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

I think the public should SEE everything.

If the public had been able to see large doses of the torture of Saddam they would never have been duped into believing putting panties on a person's head, or making them strip was anything more than intimidation .. but it certainly was not TORTURE.

13 posted on 07/01/2004 8:13:09 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: a core set of principles from which he will not deviate)
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To: JohnathanRGalt; SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; spectacularbid2003; Binyamin; ...

Please note, Mr. Galt has been duly chided for the "grizzly" misspelling.  !

At Salem the Soldier's Homepage ~

American Flag

14 posted on 07/01/2004 8:57:21 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: JohnathanRGalt; Salem; dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; Smartass; FBD
From the ragheads site that killed Kim:


"Kim's parents had urged the Seoul government to do everything to save their son, who had a degree in theology as well as Arabic and had hoped to be Christian missionary in the Arab world."


Plagiarism carries the death penalty in Islamic states. These ragheads were likely applauded and now are folk heroes in Riyadh, Tehran, Beirut, and Damascus.

He didn't have a prayer once the ragheads discovered his goal of evangelizing Muslims - period.

15 posted on 07/01/2004 9:08:27 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: CyberAnt
I think the public should SEE everything.

I do too. I'm not asking for government censorship here. But I am upset that private individuals in the USA provides direct support for an al-Qaeda linked group.

There's a lot more to it than just the SNUFF videos. These sites are used for recruitment, for training, for extortion (shows they deliver on their threats so they will be taken seriously next time) and they also contain gigabytes of terrorism manuals.

Why isn't it called "SNUFF PORN" if it is done by terrorists? Think about the dichotomy for a few minutes: If some pervert had posted murder videos the police would be all over him. If terrorists post murder videos then their videos are protected speech.

We talked to the FBI -- the FBI tells us they aren't looking at the sites.

16 posted on 07/01/2004 9:50:16 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: ----)
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To: JohnathanRGalt


I think there needs to be emphasis in this discussion on what you have referred to in the past as "TOSSing". TOSSing starts with a respectful, polite and informative email to the host's abuse department re: the putative Terrorist Site listing the criteria for what determines a Terrorist Site and showing the host that the Site is involved in the conduct of Terrorism. Yes, the Site should be allowed to stay for a period of time for the downloading of 'research' but then it should be rapidly taken down the by the cancellation of their account based on violation of Terms of Service. This "TOSSing" bypasses the First Amendment argument which could not be avoided in the trial of Sami Al-Husseyn and it is the only method available, other than hacking, for the proactive shutdown of Terrorist Sites. However, citizens with 'research' interests need to work in synche with the 'TOSSers'. This is a rather sophisicated form of citizen vigilance developed by you and appreciated, I suspect, by both Republicans and Democrats like myself.


Philip "Rick" Henika

17 posted on 07/02/2004 1:43:16 PM PDT by PhilipRick
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Everyone's Internet...\admin@ev1. net

OrgTechHandle: RW172-ARN

Tech Name: Williams,Randy


Tech Name: Stinson, Valerie

Contact for both: 1-713-400-5400

...Let them post the decapitations, after all, the Holocost was not censored. WAKE-UP AMERICA......dammit

18 posted on 07/02/2004 4:08:34 PM PDT by Bad~Rodeo (One Nation under God)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

Is this again?

"Iraq Militants Claim Marine Beheading
41 minutes ago

By NADIA ABOU EL-MAGD, Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq - An Iraqi militant group claimed on a Web site Saturday it beheaded a captive U.S. Marine, in what would be the fourth decapitation of a foreign hostage in the region since May.

The group, called the Ansar al-Sunna Army, posted a written statement on an Islamic Web site claiming that it had killed Lebanese-born Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun, saying he had been lured into a trap involving a love affair with an Arab woman.

Also Saturday, insurgents set off a roadside bomb at an Iraqi checkpoint, killing seven national guardsmen in the deadliest attack on Iraqi troops since the U.S. occupation authorities transferred power to a new Iraqi government five days ago.

Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said his country was in "a race against time" in dealing with insurgents. He said Iraqi troops "are not ready" to deal with the challenges alone.

About 160,000 foreign troops, mostly American, stayed after Monday's handover of sovereignty to the new interim government. NATO (news - web sites) leaders last week offered military training to the new Iraqi government.

In recent days, Jordan, Bahrain and Yemen have offered military help under certain conditions.

"These countries can support United Nations (news - web sites) operations and play a central and effective role," Zebari said.

The U.S. military in Baghdad said it was checking into the report of the 24-year-old Hassoun's death but had no confirmation.

It was not immediately possible to verify the authenticity of the group's statement.

"We would like to inform you that the Marine of Lebanese origin, Hassoun, has been slaughtered. You are going to see the video with your very eyes soon," said the statement, signed in the name of the group's leader, Abu Abdullah al-Hassan bin Mahmoud.

It also said it had taken another hostage but did not give details.

The group called itself the Ansar al-Sunna Army in Qaim, a town on the Syrian border that has seen frequent clashes between U.S. troops and militants. The message was dated June 20, the day the military said Hassoun, of West Jordan, Utah, was first reported missing — though the posting was dated Saturday.

"We will show a new video of the detention of a new infidel hostage and as recently promised, the beheading of rotten heads," the statement said.

"Withdraw your army and you will be safe. Or else we will keep doing what we are doing."

On June 27, the Arab television station Al-Jazeera broadcast a videotape showing Hassoun blindfolded, along with a statement from militants threatening to kill him unless the United States released all Iraqis in "occupation jails."

In that initial statement, the kidnappers identified themselves as "Islamic Response," the security wing of the "National Islamic Resistance - 1920 Revolution Brigades," referring to the uprising against the British after World War I.

Saturday's claim on Hassoun's death was issued on the same Islamic extremist Web forum where footage was posted last month showing the beheading of U.S. engineer Paul M. Johnson Jr., in Saudi Arabia. The site also often carries claims of attacks by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian militant said to be operating in Iraq (news - web sites).

Al-Zarqawi's movement claimed responsibility for the beheading last month of Kim Sun-il, a South Korean who worked for a company delivering supplies to American forces, and Nicholas Berg, an American businessman, whose body was found in Baghdad in May. Johnson's slaying was claimed by al-Qaida-linked militants in Saudi Arabia, and pictures of his severed head were posted on the Internet.

Another militant group in Iraq claimed last week that it had killed Spc. Keith M. Maupin, of Batavia, Ohio, an American soldier held captive since April. The military has not yet confirmed that it was Maupin who was shown in grainy video footage of a man being shot in the back of the head.

In Saturday's statement, the militants said they used a woman to trap Hassoun.

"As your soldier had a love affair with a young Arab woman, he has been lured from the base," the statement said.

The U.S. military said Hassoun had been absent without authorization since June 20, though after the video was shown it changed his status to "captured."

The New York Times, citing a Marine officer speaking on condition of anonymity, has reported that Hassoun had been traumatized by seeing one of his sergeants killed by a mortar, and was trying to make his way back to Lebanon. The officer told the paper that Hassoun sought the help of Iraqis on the base, was betrayed by them and handed over the extremists.

Hassoun's eldest brother, Mohammad, who lives in a Salt Lake City suburb, denied the report. The Marine's relatives were in seclusion at their Utah home after the Web site posting Saturday.

Ansar al-Sunna Army claimed responsibility for the twin suicide attacks on the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan and the Kurdistan Democratic Party offices in Irbil on Feb. 1 that killed 109 people. .."

19 posted on 07/03/2004 5:07:04 PM PDT by PhilipRick
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