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Did One Woman's Obsession Take America to War?
Guardian (UK) ^ | July 5, 2004 | Peter Bergen

Posted on 07/04/2004 8:23:17 PM PDT by rimtop56

Americans supported the war in Iraq not because Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator - they knew that - but because President Bush made the case that Saddam might hand weapons of mass destruction to his terrorist allies to wreak havoc on the United States. In the absence of any evidence for that theory, it's fair to ask: where did the administration's conviction come from? It was at the American Enterprise Institute - a conservative Washington DC thinktank - that the idea took shape that overthrowing Saddam should be a goal. Among those associated with AEI is Richard Perle, a key architect of the president's get-tough-on-Iraq policy, and Paul Wolfowitz, now the number-two official at the Pentagon. But none of the thinkers at AEI was in any real way an expert on Iraq. For that they relied on someone you probably have never heard of: a woman named Laurie Mylroie.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aei; alqaeda; bergen; bush; iraq; lauriemylroie; mylroie; prewarintelligence; saddam; us; war
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He tries to discredit Laurie Mylroie, but I'm not buying it. Mylroie's work is painstakingly detailed. She doesn't just make wild statements; she backs up her claims with in-depth research. Unfortunately, our CIA and FBI function like a guys' club (no offense, guys): they don't want some outsider to come up with the answer, especially a woman outsider.
1 posted on 07/04/2004 8:23:18 PM PDT by rimtop56
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To: rimtop56

"The Guardian"

Guarding the left flank of the Left.


2 posted on 07/04/2004 8:26:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Independence forever!)
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To: rimtop56
He is not trying -- he is showing that she was dead wrong (repeatedly) on many accounts. Makes me wonder who is she working for.

But since you think she is better than all out multi-million dollar three-letter agencies, why don't we let her do all our intell work then? Given her track record, she won't be much better but she will be a lot cheaper.

The "genius"

3 posted on 07/04/2004 8:40:09 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: EternalVigilance

Exactly.

BTW, the US went to war when we were attacked for the nth time, by Islamofascist terrorist. How dumb can these lefties be?


4 posted on 07/04/2004 8:46:39 PM PDT by JLS
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To: kosta50

He repeatedly says she was wrong, but does not give much support for his view. Bergen quotes Richard Clarke, a man with not a lot of credibility. Later in his article, he just says she was wrong, but doesn't give a source.

Time will tell who is right. I haven't bought stock in the outcome, but I've read a lot of her writings and she has a lot more credibility than the likes of Richard Clarke. And, as you imply, our intelligence agencies have not exactly shone lately.


5 posted on 07/04/2004 8:48:33 PM PDT by rimtop56
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To: rimtop56

She lassoed W, tied him with a piggin' string, and branded him with her brand? Please...


6 posted on 07/04/2004 8:52:18 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "Who is this King of Glory? The Lord strong and mighty, invincible in battle."u)
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To: rimtop56

This would be Dr Mylroie


7 posted on 07/04/2004 8:56:37 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: JLS
Anyone with half a brain or more could make the connection that Saddam could supply weapons of mass destruction to terrorists to strike the U.S.

Putin recently told that Russia warned us of Saddam's plans to strike the U.S. through terrorists, we were at war with Saddam and had a declared U.S. policy of regime change in Iraq.

Saddam had lots of reasons to strike us, and terrorists groups gave him a plausibly deniable way to do it. We had to do something about Iraq instead of allowing the infection to spread, possibly in a deadly vector at the heart of America.

8 posted on 07/04/2004 8:57:27 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: 185JHP

Actually, I support Dr. Mylroie. I posted the article though for those who keep up with her. I admire her greatly.


9 posted on 07/04/2004 9:02:47 PM PDT by rimtop56
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To: marktwain

That's right. The Middle East is like a huge, pus-filled sore. Taking Hussein out was like puncturing it. It's still a mess, but it's a good start.


10 posted on 07/04/2004 9:06:18 PM PDT by rimtop56
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To: kosta50
He is not trying -- he is showing that she was dead wrong (repeatedly) on many accounts.

Have you read any of her books? This rather short article does not at all show us that she is wrong. And what about Peter Bergen's credentials make him credible?

11 posted on 07/04/2004 9:08:12 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: rimtop56

I didn't mean to knock you or the estimable gal in question. My point was, no think tank drives W's decisions. The Lord God does. FReegards


12 posted on 07/04/2004 9:16:02 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "Who is this King of Glory? The Lord strong and mighty, invincible in battle."u)
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he is showing that she was dead wrong (repeatedly) on many accounts

Exactly how is the writer proving her wrong? All I noticed were terms such as "the FBI and CIA found no evidence" -- not surprising in the matter of the '93 WTC bombing, since it was handled exclusively by the FBI as a law-enforcement issue. By the time the CIA knew what their evidence was, i.e., after the trials, the trail was stone cold. Then the author quotes from such paragons of accuracy as Richard Clarke and Vince Cannistraro. The same Vince Cannistraro that works for one of the alphabet channels and who publicly declared support for Sami Al-Arian, before he was (oops!) finally arrested.

Everyone quoted, in fact, has a share in the blame of not stopping the Islamic threat in the '90's -- mainly because they all treated the incidents as isolated events by loose groups of associates who just happened to be Muslims -- so it's not very surprising that they're eager to shoot down Mylroie's theories.

13 posted on 07/04/2004 9:18:56 PM PDT by browardchad
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No, radical Islamism took themselves to war (per their charter):

Militant Islam & America: Full Circle [***Terrorism in 1786 ?*** Appeasement never works !]

Excerpt:

In 1784, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Benjamin Franklin were commissioned by the first Congress to assemble in Paris to see about marketing U.S. products in Europe.

Jefferson quickly surmised that the biggest challenge facing U.S. merchant ships were those referred to euphemistically as "Barbary pirates."

They weren't "pirates" at all, in the traditional sense, Jefferson noticed. They didn't drink and chase women and they really weren't out to strike it rich. Instead, their motivation was strictly religious. They bought and sold slaves, to be sure. They looted ships. But they used their booty to buy guns, ships, cannon and ammunition.

Like those we call "terrorists" today, they saw themselves engaged in jihad and called themselves "mujahiddin."

14 posted on 07/04/2004 9:26:39 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: 185JHP
I didn't mean to knock you or the estimable gal in question. My point was, no think tank drives W's decisions. The Lord God does.

If Jesus is behind W's decisions, why are we paying Condi and Rumsfeld?  For that matter, why have anything but an Executive Branch with only one guy in it?  The Lege and the Courts can't possibly do better than God.
15 posted on 07/04/2004 9:31:46 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: rimtop56

Well certainly Madeline Albright's obsession with her ethnic heritage and her family's fleeing of persecution in Serbia led her to push for her war (in defiance of the United Nations I might add) against Serbia.


16 posted on 07/04/2004 9:36:11 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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"...he is showing that she was dead wrong (repeatedly) on many accounts"

Not ture at all, all he's simply saying is that she's wrong, and throwing in some less-than-credible names to support his position.

"But since you think she is better than all out multi-million dollar three-letter agencies"

Would these be the same agencies in charge of not letting a 9/11 happen?

17 posted on 07/04/2004 9:36:23 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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"If Jesus is behind W's decisions, why are we paying Condi and Rumsfeld?"

Because US Code calls for it.

18 posted on 07/04/2004 9:37:25 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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Because US Code calls for it.

Obviously the work of Satan.
19 posted on 07/04/2004 9:39:01 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: rimtop56

Clinton, the French, the UN, all were convinced that Saddam had WMD.

And now more and more info is coming out about Saddam's ties to terrorism.


20 posted on 07/04/2004 9:40:27 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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