Posted on 07/06/2004 4:59:49 PM PDT by Kerberos
So I have posted this article in an effort to give you some resources to improve you understanding of politics and law.
Yeah right....from the impeccable source Unknown and posted at About.com....While the article does havae some interesting points it does not deal with the current "neutral" standard that SCOTUS has set up.
There is NOTHING complicated about "separation of church and state," it is a 1947 FDR court theory based upon false Jefferson readings. We can all thank KKK Hugo Black for his incrediable flights of fantasy.
School teachers cannot promote their religion to other people's children."
Wrong.
Amendment I, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
"No law" is the key phrase.
Referring to the examples above, there is not a law that is being enforced when individuals choose to "exercise" their relition.
"Local officials cannot require certain religious beliefs on the part of government employees."
True. The 1st Amendment does prohibit this action.
"Government leaders cannot make members of other religions feel like they are unwanted or are second-class citizens by using their position to promote particular religious beliefs - for example, through sectarian prayers or scriptural readings."
How a citizen "feels" is their business and has nothing to do with government.
A bunch of B.S.!
Congress shall make NO LAW ESTABLISHING.
Congress shall make NO LAW PROHIBITING.
What is so hard about that that? I see no "seperation" of church-state other than what is SIMPLY stated - there will be no state religion and the govt cannot restrict religions.
PERIOD!
"Martin Luther King's civil rights movement would have been absolutely snuffed out and extinguished in today's outrageous defenses of the separation principal. There is no way his sermonizing, church organization, religious rhetoric, and religious values would have survived the absurd contentions of your post."
How could that be, was King a government employee, was he carry out his ideas at the taxpayer expense, I don't think so, So your accusation that King would have been somehow restrained today is completely baseless.
"Nonetheless, you are part of the social annihilation of the free exercise of religion."
Wrong, I am part of Americans who value freedom, true freedom, not the nanny state variety, and want to keep religion out of government as well as government out of religion.
"What is so hard about that that? I see no "seperation" of church-state other than what is SIMPLY stated - there will be no state religion and the govt cannot restrict religions."
Didn't get it huh? Oh well, I guess one can provide the tools, but they still must be willing to use them.
"There is NOTHING complicated about "separation of church and state"
Absolutely correct there is nothing complicated about it that a good study of world history up to the founding will be able to explain. Oh, and some decent study of the founders themselves.
"How could that be, was King a government employee, was he carry out his ideas at the taxpayer expense, I don't think so, So your accusation that King would have been somehow restrained today is completely baseless."--Kerberos
Wrong-- King's success in the adoption of the 1964 Civil Rights Act was predicated upon his religious viewpoint that all men are created by God as equals. Such a view cannot be allowed to be established since it is religious. Moreover, churches were used to organize political rallies and political resistance to local authorities. These activities violate your description of separation. It is quite fair to say that churches imposed the 1964 Civil Rights act by initiating a massive political act against southern states. The abolition of slavery could be similarly critiqued.
"I am part of Americans who value freedom, true freedom, not the nanny state variety, and want to keep religion out of government as well as government out of religion. "--Kerberos
Yes-- you value freedom-- freedom from religion. Unfortunately, the first amendment guarantees quite the opposite-- the freedom of religion. Your efforts to secularize the government and then bulldoze it across vast public spaces constitutes your sense of "freedom." In fact, I think you have a near religious like attachment to your view-- so be careful.
Oh, are you of the persuasion that you must know who authored an article before you can decide if it has any merits or not.
"Didn't get it huh? Oh well, I guess one can provide the tools, but they still must be willing to use them."
I would assume you are talking about the asinine author of the piece of clap-trap writing.
If not .... if you believe that garbage, then you are one of the reasons this country is going down the toilet fast.
Perhaps people need to learn how to read English?
ROTFLMAO
Please, show us the reference in the Constitution where it says "separation of church and state".
LOL, there is no separation of church and state in the Constitution. The Constitution is a document that defines the limited power of our government, it has no effect on what a church can and can not do. The Constitution was not adapted by churches, but by the government and it is absolutely a one-way street.
"I know all those judges and the ACLU fascists shall pay for the evil that is their existence, but it sure would be nice to see a few of them pay for their evil in my lifetime."
So, do you frequently have these fits of delusional paranoia and persecution and have they been occurring for a long period of time? You know there are places that you can seek and obtain help for them. See your doctor about it as soon as possible.
Show us the phrase in the Constitution! Oh, you can't -- because it DOESN'T EXIST!! You moron! Were you "educated" in a government school?
Even a cursory glance at this nations founding makes clear that several of the states had established religions prior to, during and after the ratification of the United States Constitution.
How did you miss it?
bttt
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