Sharia - Muslims in the Armed Forces

http://www.shareeah.org/eqna/article.php?id=014 ^ | 7/7/04 | milford421

[milford421]

This is from a muslim question and answer forum regarding muslims and the armed forces in non-muslim countries.

Pay particular attention to the edict that muslims are forbidden to fight muslims under any circumstances...

[johniegrad]

There's copyright complaints from www.shareeah.org?

[Chad Fairbanks]

Pay particular attention to the edict that muslims are forbidden to fight muslims under any circumstances...

And yet, what have they been doing for hundreds and hundreds of years? When they are not fighting others they... wait for it... wait for it... fight amongst themselves.

So, I guess what I'm asking is - what is your point? ;0)

[milford421]

How would a muslim soldier in the U.S. armed forces handle this situation against, say, muslim terrorists?

[milford421]

What?

[Chad Fairbanks]

I guess it would depend on the individual Muslim. But, if it will make you feel better I could paint them all with the same brush, perhaps?

[MississippiMan]

We had a situation shortly after 9/11 in which a Muslim FBI agent refused to wear a wire to surreptitiously record a suspected terrorist. No discipline, no nothing. This is a very real issue.

MM

[expat_panama]

The same way the rest of the Moslems handle it --they fight other Moslems. It that so complicated? This "under no circumstances" thing is a crock.

[johniegrad]

Just wondering if the article was unnecessarily excerpted.

[milford421]

Hey, not my brush...theirs. Just pointing out the belief.

[olde north church]

No issue. Enforced lead related retirement.

[NavySEAL F-16]

Here's an article from the Washington Times by way of Roberts newsletter. It's dated November 2001. The money quote "The Middle East Media Research Institute reports that the Arab clerics reconsidered and withdrew permission on Oct. 30, issuing a new fatwa prohibiting U.S. Muslim troops from participating in U.S. attacks on Muslim forces."

Read the entire article if you can.

Multiculturalism's Nascent Stress Points

by Paul Craig Roberts

Do you know that there are 15,000 Muslims serving in the U.S. armed forces? Are you aware that the U.S. military has Muslim imams?

Following September 11, Capt. Abd Al-Rasheed Muhammad, Imam of Walter Reed Army Medical Center in D.C., asked the North American Islamic Jurisprudence Council if it is permissible for Muslim troops in the U.S. military to fight other Muslims in the war against terrorism.

The council referred the matter to Muslim clerics abroad, who issued a fatwa permitting U.S. Muslims to fight if there was "no alternative."

Whew. The chain of command of the U.S. military remained intact. But not for long. The Middle East Media Research Institute reports that the Arab clerics reconsidered and withdrew permission on Oct. 30, issuing a new fatwa prohibiting U.S. Muslim troops from participating in U.S. attacks on Muslim forces.

Can you see where multiculturalism has brought us? The chain of command in the U.S. Army has Arab clerics at its head.

The idea of a multicultural state is an obvious insanity. The problems of multicultural politics led to the breakup of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. In our own time we have witnessed the breakup of the multicultural Yugoslav state and the Russian Empire.

Why do so many educated people believe multiculturalism will work in the U.S.? Or do they believe it?

The political left endorses multiculturalism as an assault on U.S. national identity. Libertarians endorse multiculturalism, because they favor anything that dissolves the state, and there's no better way to dissolve a state than to dissolve national identity.

Neoconservatives endorse multiculturalism, because they see it as endorsement of American values by outsiders. The unending flood of immigrants from different cultures is the neoconservatives' answer to the denigration of American values by the political left.

These positions are understandable if incompatible, but none are legitimate reasons for constructing a political Tower of Babel.

Even under the old rules of the "melting pot," it is doubtful the U.S. could assimilate the high rate of Third World, non-European immigration it has been experiencing for the past three decades. Under the multicultural Balkanization policy in effect, nonassimilation is a guaranteed outcome.

Of all the hyphenated-Americans, Muslims pose the greatest challenge. Islam assimilates neither into a Judeo-Christian civilization, nor into a secular one. Secular Muslim states are experiencing difficulties themselves and have to rely on force to remain in power.

The assimilation of Muslims in the U.S. would be daunting even for a culture aware of the challenge. It became impossible when civil rights policy turned every hyphenated-American into a "preferred minority" and endowed them with special legal privileges.

U.S. civil rights policy not only turned native-born whites into second-class citizens, but also prevents the implementation of sensible airport security measures.

WorldNetDaily reports that in 1999 the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission forced Argenbright Security Inc., which provides airport security, to rehire seven fired Muslim noncitizens, five of whom are citizens of countries on the State Department's terrorist blacklist.

According to the EEOC, "preferred minorities" do not have to be U.S. citizens in order to benefit from elevated group rights.

Argenbright was forced by the U.S. government to rehire, make a cash settlement, apologize, and institute a "Muslim-sensitivity training program for all Argenbright employees."

There you have it. Homeland Security, airport security, and in-flight security are all jokes. U.S. civil rights privileges for "preferred minorities" prevent profiling of suspect religious and ethnic populations, even if the suspects are not citizens and hail from terrorist-friendly countries.

The seven Muslims were fired because they refused to stop wearing their telltale head wraps, making U.S. citizens very nervous passing through airport security after the Muslim bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.

With the help of the EEOC, Muslim noncitizens have established that they must make no concession whatsoever to the Western culture that hosts them.

So much for the claims that the unassimilable are being assimilated. The U.S. has forsaken national identity for a Tower of Babel.
[ Washington Times ]

[milford421]

You probably want to see actual excerpts from the Quran, suras, hadiths, etc. There are a number of websites for you to go to for specific and accurate information. Here are some : :http://www.islamreview.com/articles/theroad.shtml
www.jihadwatch.org, http://www.secularislam.org/,http://www.answeringislam.org/

[Chad Fairbanks]

Well, I never said it wasn't an issue, but I don't believe it is an issue with regards to every single muslim that is serving his or her country.

[milford421]

You "get it". Thanks for the article and info. I will read.

Expat Panama and Chad Fairbanks...might want to join me on this read.

[milford421]

Exactly, and Daniel Pipes wrote an excellent piece about this : www.danielpipes.org

[rageaholic]

Islam is an enemy ideology directly opposed to the United States Constitution. You know, the Constitution that Soldiers are sworn to defend.

Since islam overrides all other allegiances, muslim soldiers/police/airline pilots/nuclear scientists/politicians etc. etc cannot be fully trusted with issues of national security.

[nothingnew]

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[happygrl]

The issue is not that they can't fight other Muslims.

It it that they can't join a Kaffir(non-Muslim) Army and then fight Muslims.

We should be taking our lessons from the Israelis, who know about such things.

Sevice in the IDF is not allowed for their Arab citizens, many of whom are Muslim .

They do allow the Druze, who are not Muslim, to serve in some capacities, as trackers, I believe.

Someone else here know the details?

[Chad Fairbanks]

Ok. Once again, I guess what is the point of all this? Should we just round up all the Muslims in this country who are serving in one capacity or another because they "can't be trusted" and then...? What, exactly?

Since it appears you know all about this, and have an opinion, what is your proposed solution?