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***(Thurs 7-8) ASK JAYNA DAVIS QUESTIONS ABOUT HER BOOK -- "THE THIRD TERRORIST"***
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Posted on 07/08/2004 7:10:31 AM PDT by doug from upland

Edited on 07/08/2004 2:03:56 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

JAYNA DAVIS DOT COM

Jayna Davis, author of THE THIRD TERRORIST, is scheduled today for the Larry Elder show, guest hosted by Doug McIntyre. The time is 3pm Pacific. Then at 6pm Pacific, she will be on this thread to answer questions.

Jayna's work in exposing the Iraqi connection in the OKC bombing has been endorsed by James Woolsey, Dave Schippers, and Frank Gaffney. No, folks, McVeigh and Nichols did not act alone.

If you haven't read the book, please look over the info on the website, particularly the interview done on the Glen Beck show. You can listen to the Larry Elder show online by going to the KABC WEBSITE.

Let's try to make it easy for Jayna. Because I anticipate a busy thread with lots of comments, please use red font to ask questions.

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QUESTION: Jayna, why did Tim McVeigh not rat out his Iraqi pals?


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 07/08/2004 7:10:33 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

Michael Moore's the one, right ~ the third terrorist in the baseball cap?


2 posted on 07/08/2004 7:14:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: doug from upland

Who among you my fellow Freepers have studied up on this? Is she just a grassy knoller or does she have a solid case?


3 posted on 07/08/2004 7:14:37 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (France kicked Germany's teeth out at Verdun among other places.)
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To: All
From a FReeper who sent me FReepmail ---

QUESTION: Jayna, why is the current Justice Department not following up on your information?

4 posted on 07/08/2004 7:15:43 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Monterrosa-24

David Schippers says that what she has can stand up in court.


5 posted on 07/08/2004 7:16:42 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Monterrosa-24

She has documents, witnesses, positive identifications.


6 posted on 07/08/2004 7:17:33 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland; *OKCbombing

Archive bump.


7 posted on 07/08/2004 7:20:31 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Monterrosa-24

"Who among you my fellow Freepers have studied up on this? Is she just a grassy knoller or does she have a solid case?"

I think I saw her a couple of years back on O'Reilly. She has some compelling bits and pieces, but I came away thinking she hadn't produced anything that proves her theory in its entirety, only cooraborative "facts" are cooroborating minor stuff.

I do have a very hard time accepting McVeigh fell on his own sword, so to speak, to protect some shadowy terrorist organization. He was a nutcase, to be sure....but the "profile" doesn't support the notion. Neither does the testimony, and interviews, of those that knew him well.


8 posted on 07/08/2004 7:20:50 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Monterrosa-24

She has an excellent case! I've heard her several times on the local Michael Smerconish radio show (Philly). Once, I got home in time to catch my very cynical husband and turned up the radio so he would have to hear. Even he was convinced of her credibility!


9 posted on 07/08/2004 7:21:38 AM PDT by twigs
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To: All

Some members of the 9-11 commission are reading her book right now.


10 posted on 07/08/2004 7:22:16 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Her case is so solid it shocked me. I own the book and can't recommend the book highly enough.

The only problem with the book - it will make you very angry at the government for failing to investigate this matter properly. And not just the Clinton administration. Congress did NOT do their job at all when the OKC bombing was brought back up for investigation.

James Woolsey, former CIA Director, said the world would owe Davis a debt of gratitude when the truth was fully known. Several high ranking FBI agents and directors of terrorism offices said the same thing.

The book, after the first chapter, is fascinating. I read it in an afternoon and couldn't put it down.


11 posted on 07/08/2004 7:23:04 AM PDT by Peach
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To: doug from upland

Is that right????

Wow.

Guess where John Doe was working on 9/11? Logan Airport.


12 posted on 07/08/2004 7:24:05 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Monterrosa-24

She has a solid case IMO.


13 posted on 07/08/2004 7:24:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: doug from upland

Heard you on Hewitt last night. good job.


I don't have Richard Clarkes book but ive heard that he firmly believes in a mideast connection to OKC. That might be what leads them to read the book.


14 posted on 07/08/2004 7:29:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: Peach

Witnesses have positively identified the Iraqi who exited the Ryder truck just before the explosion.


15 posted on 07/08/2004 7:29:51 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland

I just dropped the book into my shopping cart at Amazon. (My favorite store on Earth by a LONG shot.)

MM


16 posted on 07/08/2004 7:30:05 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: doug from upland

Yes, and one of those witnesses with a woman whose leg was amputated at the scene in order to extract her from the rubble. WHile doctors worked on her (for 12 hours) she told them about seeing this man get out of the Ryder truck seconds before it exploded. She described his tatoo and his face and everything. Others did as well.

Over 40 people saw McVeigh with John Doe in the weeks prior and up to the minute before the explosion.


17 posted on 07/08/2004 7:31:33 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Monterrosa-24

I just finished the book ... let's say her case is a lot tighter than Fat Boy Moore's ... certainly, there are dots to connect, but those dots aren't too far apart ... a lot of people with no axe to grind would have to be mistaken or lying in order for Davis' thesis to be false.


18 posted on 07/08/2004 7:31:39 AM PDT by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: Peach

I have said for years that Bill Clinton used the OKC bombing to save his presidency. He used it to create the VRWC. No matter what, his Kook-Aid drinkers would support him because they had to stop the dreaded right wing. He was successful. They defended him no matter what he did.


19 posted on 07/08/2004 7:31:48 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Peach

with=was


20 posted on 07/08/2004 7:31:54 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Badeye

Read it and decide for yourself. I found it very compelling. She has documentation from hundreds of people on the scene before and after the explosion and lets the avalanche of info speak for itself.


21 posted on 07/08/2004 7:32:08 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: doug from upland

Exactly! And didn't he blame the white right wing militia hate groups on Rush Limbaugh?

Sheesh. It was in large part Clinton's fault the investigation didn't go in the right direction, but since that time Congress has had a chance to correct it and haven't. I've never been so disgusted with our goverment as I was after reading that book.


22 posted on 07/08/2004 7:33:19 AM PDT by Peach
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To: All
QUESTION: Jayna, what can the FReepers do to help advance the story? Who are the friendly ears in the Justice Department or Congress?
23 posted on 07/08/2004 7:33:34 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland; All

I purchased a copy of this book for myself and one for the local library which I donated. I figure this way more people will read it!!!


24 posted on 07/08/2004 7:33:49 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

Indeed, the bombing was blamed on hate talk radio in order to marginalize the message. Clinton allowed the Islamic terrorists to grow strong during his wasted 8 years, and then he simply dumped the problem in the lap of the next administration.


25 posted on 07/08/2004 7:35:11 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland

I am reading her book now. She certainly has her ducks in a row and her sources from the intel community and her sources in the Phillipines.

I wonder if she will be on 60 Minutes, the network evening news and the morning shows? SARCASM!


26 posted on 07/08/2004 7:36:36 AM PDT by nightowl
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To: Carolinamom

If you haven't read "The final report" you should look into it. Representative Charles Key set out to disprove all the conspiracy theories surrounding the case and ended up with even more questions.


27 posted on 07/08/2004 7:36:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: doug from upland

Jayna Davis is one of the few investigative reporters in this country.

John Berger is another and he's written about this matter.

The rest of them just take down the DNC talking points like little puppets.


28 posted on 07/08/2004 7:37:17 AM PDT by Peach
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To: doug from upland
I have said for years that Bill Clinton used the OKC bombing to save his presidency. He used it to create the VRWC.

Plus, unearthing a state sponsor (Iraq) would have meant retaliation in the form of a REAL war, something Clinton, ever-mindful of his approval ratings, clearly did not have the stomach for. Another good reason not to elect teenaged boys.

29 posted on 07/08/2004 7:38:12 AM PDT by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: Mr. Buzzcut

Absolutely correct. Clinton was unprepared to deal with terror. He only cared about making it through 8 years, and he believed that talking up the economy was all that mattered. Remember, "It's the economy, stupid." What an incredibly dangerous slogan that turned out to be.


30 posted on 07/08/2004 7:40:44 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland

Hello Freepers. I'm Jayna Davis, the author of The Third Terrorist. To begin, I would like to extend my profound appreciation to Doug from Upland for his immeasurable contribution in bringing my investigation to the wonderfully talented and politically sane people of FreeRepublic. He has dedicated his time and resources to personally book several prominent radio programs to promote my message. Thank you, Doug!

I will try to answer all of your questions as comprehensively as possible. I will also share only what I have been able to confirm through several independent sources while avoiding speculation or hearsay testimony.

Before we begin our forum, I would like to recount a colorful story. I was sitting in the Chicago law firm of David P. Schippers on March 15, 2001 (Chapter 20: American Hero) when the adminstrators from Free Republic arrived to bestow upon Schippers an award for his valor in prosecuting the impeachment trial of President William Jefferson Clinton. I did not witness the presentation, however, Schippers explained to me his excitement about being chosen for such an honor. That was the first day I spent fact-to-face with the extraordinary lawyer whom I consider an American hero. That said, let the fun begin this evening at 8:00 PM Central.


31 posted on 07/08/2004 7:46:00 AM PDT by truthaboveall (Hello Freepers. It's an honor to be invited to answer your questions.)
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To: Carolinamom

"Read it and decide for yourself. I found it very compelling. She has documentation from hundreds of people on the scene before and after the explosion and lets the avalanche of info speak for itself."

I already carry a fairly large "reading load" right now. I'll have to hear something really compelling before I dedicate my time to reading her book. I'm not trying to steer away from what might be a valid conclusion on her part, just acknowledging that time is in short supply, I gotta pick and choose.

Besides, I'm fairly certain she isn't going anywhere, and there will always be a thread or two here and at other websites about this.

bottom line is she hasn't given me anything to cause me to place money on the table, and allot time to reading her book.


32 posted on 07/08/2004 7:46:29 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: cripplecreek

Is "The Final Report" a book or an article which can it be read on the internet?


33 posted on 07/08/2004 7:47:17 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: truthaboveall

Hi, Jayna. You chose a great screen name. Let's hope you can really shake things up today with Doug McIntyre and Larry Elder's national audience. As we have discussed, the terror cell is still in OKC today.


34 posted on 07/08/2004 7:48:55 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland

bump for Jayna


35 posted on 07/08/2004 7:52:52 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Carolinamom

The final report is a book of over 600 pages. You can look into a lot of what it contains at the investigation committee website.

http://www.okcbombing.org/


36 posted on 07/08/2004 7:52:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: All
TRAIL OF TERROR
'Iraq Linked to 9-11 and Oklahoma City Bombing'

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Wes Vernon, NewsMax.com
Monday, Sept. 9, 2002

WASHINGTON-The Wall Street Journal has added its voice to those - in and out of government - who have concluded the circumstantial evidence linking Saddam Hussein’s Iraq to the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the 1993 first World Trade Center bombing, as well as the 9-11 attacks, is overwhelming.

Former CIA Director James Woolsey also expresses skepticism that Timothy McVeigh, executed for the Oklahoma City bombing, and his accomplice Terry Nichols, sentenced to life in prison and awaiting further trial on murder charges, could have planned and executed this monstrous crime all by themselves.

Woolsey believes the work of persistent investigators, reporter Jayna Davis and Middle East expert Laurie Mylroie, are onto something, as many clues in their separate probes point ominously toward Baghdad.

"[W]hen the full stories of these two incidents [Oklahoma City and the first Trade Center bombing] are finally told,” he told the Journal, "those who permitted the investigations to stop short will owe big explanations to these two brave women. And the nation will owe them a debt of gratitude.”

In a lengthy carefully worded Sept. 5 op-ed piece, Wall Street Journal senior editorial page writer Micah Morrison says while the information to date stops short of "conclusive evidence” the Iraqi dictator was implicated in the attacks on the Trade Center or the federal building in Oklahoma City, "there is quite a bit of smoke curling up from the various routes to Baghdad…”

That the Wall Street Journal is taking a serious look at the "Iraq connection” is significant if for no other reason than the fact that this Dow Jones icon of business journalism is not noted for an addiction to wild conspiracy theories.

But the WSJ is by no means alone. Other mainstream publications have recently weighed in with similar observations.

"Our position is: Congress should hold hearings on evidence of previous Iraqi connections to terror,” editorialized the Indianapolis Star Sept. 7.

"In the Oklahoma City case,” the paper added, "[Jayna] Davis painstakingly reviewed telephone records that indicate Terry Nichols contacted Iraqi intelligence in the Philippines to acquire bomb-making expertise.”

Two weeks earlier, Star editorial writer James Patterson wrote that Indiana Rep. Dan Burton’s House Government Reform Committee had spent some of the August congressional recess "sniffing around” Oklahoma City looking for reasons to believe that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols had help.

"They found plenty,” Patterson reported.

Committee staff interviewed at least six people who claimed they saw McVeigh keeping company with "foreign-looking men” in the days, "even minutes” prior to the blast at the Murrah federal building that killed 168 innocents on April 19, 1995.

Apparently, the committee’s interest was aroused in part by David Schippers, the Chicago lawyer hired in 1998 as chief investigative counsel for the House Judiciary Committee’s work in the impeachment of then-President Bill Clinton. According to Patterson, Schippers "has been traversing the country” citing Davis’s investigative work in the case.

Yet another credible voice has been added to the chorus of those who do not believe the execution of McVeigh and the sentencing of Nichols neatly added up to "case closed.” Larry Johnson, former deputy director of the State Department’s Office of Counter-Terrorism has told TV audiences that his suspicions in the case were confirmed by "his own deeply held law enforcement contacts” 9Patterson’s description). Further, Johnson is convinced the Middle East terrorist cell that carried out the bombing is still in business.

Suspicion that Iraq was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks was fueled mainly by reports over the past year of a meeting in Prague in April 2001 between apparent hijacker Mohammed Atta (believed to have piloted the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Center a year ago) and Iraqi diplomat Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir el-Ani.

The fact that Atta was located in Virginia and then in Florida shortly before and after the reported meeting has caused much of the media to dismiss the story. Two things about that:

A high Bush administration official was quoted in the August 2 Los Angles Times as saying evidence of the meeting "holds up.”

Czech officials have insisted the meeting took place. They subsequently expelled the Iraqi diplomat. Further, the Wall Street Journal cites several reported contacts between the Iraqis and the al-Qaeda terrorist network, something that CIA Director George Tenet has confirmed in congressional testimony.

Espionage writer Edward Jay Epstein reports on his website that an Iraqi defector has stated that Iraqi intelligence has trained groups on how to hijack planes without weapons.

Editorialist Micah Morrison, in his Wall Street Journal piece, credits Davis and Mylroie as having "looked very hard for fire” in the "Iraq connection.”

That connection "remains a speculative possibility,” Morrison adds, "but a possibility that needs to be put on the table in a serious way.”

Such as a hearing soon by Congressman Burton’s House committee?

As the U.S. notes the anniversary of the biggest terror attack so far —Sept.11 - President Bush is contemplating going to war with Iraq. Some believe he has already decided. If any or all three of the murderous attacks can be traced to Saddam Hussein, the question of whether the U.S. is justified in pursuing that course then becomes academic. At that point, the smoking gun having been found, the argument is settled. The debate ends. It means war.

37 posted on 07/08/2004 8:01:42 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: truthaboveall

Excellent book. We owe a debt of gratitude to Jayna Davis but need to find a way to spread the word as far as possible about the facts in the book.

Also, I recommend all Freeper who can afford it buy a book and donate it to their local library for a wider distributorship.


38 posted on 07/08/2004 8:02:14 AM PDT by Peach
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To: truthaboveall

I guess if I have a question its about the apparent ongoing connections to Oklahoma that Zachariahs Moussoui had to OKC.


39 posted on 07/08/2004 8:02:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: Badeye

You are making a mistake not reading this book. Even some Congress critters tried to debunk the stuff in this book and came away with more questions than answers.

I originally thought it was all conspiracy theory but the more I read in various Oklahoma newspapers, the more I began to get interested. The book is footnoted and well researched.


40 posted on 07/08/2004 8:03:57 AM PDT by Peach
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To: truthaboveall
What have you found regarding a Terry Nichols connection to terrrorists in southern Asia? Does your book include copies of documents etc. to bolster your case of a ME connection to OKC?
41 posted on 07/08/2004 8:04:21 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: truthaboveall; doug from upland
Ms. Davis, I consider it an honor for you visit with us here and to answer our questions.

I also consider you an American hero for putting your career in jeopardy to get this story out.

May the good Lord be with you.

42 posted on 07/08/2004 8:06:42 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: cripplecreek
This is going to be a large thead. Please put questions directed to Jayna in red.
43 posted on 07/08/2004 8:06:47 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: cripplecreek

That is a great website!!


44 posted on 07/08/2004 8:09:02 AM PDT by Peach
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To: doug from upland
Do you happen to have a side-by-side picture of the artists rendering of the 3rd terrorist and Jose Pedea?
45 posted on 07/08/2004 8:10:04 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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Jayna Davis: OKC and WTC Bombers Met in Philippines
Thursday, May 27, 2004 / Newsmax.com

Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols met with World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines before he and Timothy McVeigh carried out their plot, investigative reporter Jayna Davis said Wednesday.

"Terry Nichols and Ramzi Yousef met personally in the Philippines on the island of Mindanao in the early 1990s to discuss, of all things, bombmaking," Davis told ABC Radio Network host John Batchelor.

On Wednesday, an Oklahoma jury returned a 161-count murder verdict against Nichols. He is expected to face the death penalty. But the bizarre Yousef-Nichols tie-in did not come up in the trial.

Davis said she didn't think Nichols would ever discuss his relationship with Yousef, who devised a plot known as Operation Bojinka, a kamikaze airliner hijacking plan that became the blueprint for the 9/11 attacks.

"Sources close to the defense have told me, and this comes from recorded conversations with his wife, Lana Padilla, that Terry Nichols is going to remain clammed up for the rest of his natural days on earth," Davis told Batchelor.

46 posted on 07/08/2004 8:11:47 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

I don't have those pictures. John Doe is not Padilla.


47 posted on 07/08/2004 8:12:28 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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Should be an interesting read tommorrow.


48 posted on 07/08/2004 8:13:09 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm; kcvl

Pinging you to this thread.


49 posted on 07/08/2004 8:30:01 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Monterrosa-24
I followed it fairly closely here on FR. She has a strong case. I don't know if Jayna Davis relies on this point but it was well established here that it was the governments own position at first that ME terrorists were responsible. Then they seemed to drop and cover that avenue in a quick hurry.

This thing has stunk like a carp in the glovebox since day one.

50 posted on 07/08/2004 8:30:54 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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