Is Islam Really Nonviolent? (Excellent talking points to use against the apologists for TROP™!)

The Home News Tribune [East Brunswick, NJ] ^ | July 11, 2004 | Harry Glazer

[quidnunc]

An excellent article from a Gannett newspaper.

Essentially the author is saying that handsome is as handsome does, not as handsome says.)

Link: http://www.thnt.com/thnt/story/0,21282,1000899,00.html

[genefromjersey]

In case you missed it, it was really a letter to the editor.
Nonetheless, Mr. Glazer did it up right.

[VOA]

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[prairiebreeze]

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[Arpege92]

If this country should again be attacked by Muslim terrorists, I strongly believe that Muslims in this country would no longer be safe. IMHO

[SandRat]

Give them this little piece and watch them choke.

According to Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations): ‘Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth’ (Report in the San Ramon Valley Herald of a speech to California Muslims in July 1998; quoted by Daniel Pipes in CAIR: Moderate Friends of Terror, New York Post, April 22, 2002)

[Sonny M]

I'm not sure how many people know this, but I only found this out recently from somone who is muslim (and on the moderate side i.e. about as religious as a John Kerry catholic). The Qur'an specifically bars and condems pacifism. Its against the islamic religion to choose nonviolence as a means for success and considered humiliation to be punished by death.

[fanfan]

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[Happy2BMe]

Nonviolent? Peaceful? Right . .

Tue Apr 20, 8:09 AM ET

Jermaine Jackson(L), brother of Michael Jackson, Jackson family spokesman Firpo W. Carr(C) and Khawaja Khurshid Reshi hold a rug with a woven picture of Michael Jackson April 19, 2004, in Manama. Jermaine Jackson, in the Gulf to promote understanding between Muslims and his fellow Americans, said Tuesday that Muslims are 'the new Negroes in America.' Jermaine, a convert to Islam and dressed in white Arab garb, has been speaking about Islam and U.S. 'adventures' in Iraq to enthusiastic audiences at Koranic centers and universities in the Gulf Arab state of Bahrain. (Hamad I Mohammed/Reuters)

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FROM THE KORAN ITSELF...
"HEIL HITLER" Now Upgraded to "ALLAH AKBAR?"

You may already know about this one: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]

But did you know that there are 123 verses in the Quran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah? Here are but a few passages:

-Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause.

- Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).

- Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90). "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).

- If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81).

- A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78)

- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).

- Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).

- A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).

- A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152).

- Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3).
Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).

- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)

- Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37)

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)

- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33)

- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55

And Speaking of Paradise...

"There will be "gushing fountains" and everyone "shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine." Suras (or chapters) 55 and 56 of the Quran.

"Therein are bashful virgins whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before ... virgins as fair as corals and rubies," sura 55. A few lines later, you might remind them of "virgins chaste and fair ... they shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets."

"The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a.'"

It will be the day, God willing, you spend with the women of paradise...Know that the gardens of paradise are waiting for you in all their beauty, and the women of paradise are waiting, calling out, "Come hither, friend of God."

For much more on "PARADISE... A Better World?" click HERE

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[farfromhome]

Good points. The silence from American Muslims is deafening. One thing though, I believe that the arm bands worn at UC Irvine simply said "There is no god but Allah". As long as Jewish students could wear "Hear oh Israel...", Christian students can wear "For God so loved the earth..." and so on, there shouldn't be a problem. I think a lot of this problem came from similarities between the word for martyr and the word for the Muslim creed.

I guess I'm still an optimist and a believer in the silent majority. A silent majority that will hopefully reelect Bush in November and a silent majority of Muslims in America that will expel the extremist element. I may be naive , but I really hope not.

[Iberian]

That's a safe bet.

[Selene]

silent majority of Muslims in America that will expel the extremist element.

Dream on. Even the muslims in America are afraid of getting their heads chopped off by the extremists. They won't do anything.

[farfromhome]

Probably right. I was trying to think of what the Muslim silent majority might do. They probably won't act out of fear of the extremists.

[Wolfhound777]

Deport, Deport, Deport.