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Marriage amendment expected to die in Senate
CNN ^ | 07/14/04 | CNN

Posted on 07/13/2004 11:35:00 PM PDT by Pikamax

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A proposed constitutional amendment that would effectively prohibit gay or lesbian couples from legally marrying is expected to die in a procedural Senate vote Wednesday.

On Tuesday, a maneuver by Senate Republicans to paint presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry into a political corner went awry amid internal GOP divisions.

Facing the prospect that the amendment as originally drafted wouldn't get a simple majority -- let alone the two-thirds vote needed for approval of a proposed amendment -- Republican leaders decided to move to a second version of the measure, stripped of language that troubled some GOP moderates.

But Democrats refused to go along.

That means supporters of the amendment will need to get 60 votes in a procedural vote Wednesday to cut off debate and move to a vote on the amendment itself -- a hurdle they are unlikely to overcome with most Democrats and some moderate Republicans opposed.

The death of the amendment would be a blow to social conservatives, who have been pressing hard for the measure after same-sex marriages were legalized in Massachusetts in May.

President Bush has also championed the proposed amendment, saying it was necessary to protect the institution of marriage from "activist judges."

Democrats have accused Republicans of political gamesmanship for bringing up the divisive issue two weeks before the Democratic National Convention, hoping to use "no" votes by Kerry and and his running mate, Sen. John Edwards, as a wedge issue with polls showing that the majority of Americans oppose same-sex marriage.

Tuesday, Democrats were relishing what they saw as the maneuver's backfire.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fma; marriageamendment
RINOs, after election day, something needs to be done about them, not to keen on this amendment issue the way it has been handled, but I loathe the RINOs especially on economic issues.
1 posted on 07/13/2004 11:35:01 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
The GOP is no longer socially or economically conservative.. It is the Moderate Party and we have no choice but to support them.

This year.

2 posted on 07/13/2004 11:36:45 PM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: Pikamax

Let's get a listing of all Republicans that are opposing the passage of this amendment and call them and tell them that conservatives, especially conservative Christians will work tirelessly to see them be defeated in the next election. We will oppose them in the Republican Primary and I suggest that we oppose them in the general election too. If they are going to vote like Democrats, give them what they want; a democratic Senator. We need to rid the Senate of liberal Republicans. But we must let them know what there opposition will lead to. Will someone please post a list of the Republican senators opposing the FMA so we can contact them? We must not forget this. And if they refuse to support the President and the wishes of the vast majority of Americans, we have a duty to oppose them when they are up for re-election.


3 posted on 07/14/2004 12:03:49 AM PDT by dmc8576 (High School Students for Bush - 325 members ....Students for Kerry- 20 members. ENOUGH SAID!!!)
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To: GeronL
The GOP is no longer socially or economically conservative.

I think some are. I think many in the Adminstration are not. But I believe that the vast majority of Republican voters are socially conservative, as you phrase it. For the GOP, gratuitously offending them is a SURE way to lose this election! The Dem will turn up with their base. We will we be?

4 posted on 07/14/2004 12:06:40 AM PDT by sevry
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To: sevry

If they would just tell us where they REALLY stand in the primaries, then we would have a choice. But they won't. They will pretend to want to cut spending, but we have seen them control Congress for a decade, with nothing less than a spending binge.


5 posted on 07/14/2004 12:08:30 AM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: Pikamax

I'm not surprised politicians won't do squat about family values. However, its good campaign fodder.


6 posted on 07/14/2004 12:11:49 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pikamax

I'll put on my flame suit here, but I hope it does die without going to the floor. I'm not for gay marriage, but if this ban passed, It would open the floodgates for societal issues to be made constitutional amendments. I could see an amendment proposed to guarantee women the right to abortion.


8 posted on 07/14/2004 1:33:54 AM PDT by Nachoman (Concealed carry: tipping the balance of terror in favor of the law abiding citizen)
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To: Nachoman
A pro-choice amendment? Good!

I'm not pro-abortion, but it would beat having a few judges declare the latest morality issue of the day legal or not. Make it an amendment, and toss it back to the states. If 3/4 of the states (either their ELECTED legislatures or a special convention) approve it - its in the Constitution.

If the Constitution can be amended to address congressional pay raises, you would think marriage, abortion and some other issues might at the least be considered.
9 posted on 07/14/2004 1:51:16 AM PDT by geopyg (Peace..................through decisive and ultimate VICTORY. (Democracy, whiskey, sexy))
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To: Nachoman
constitutional amendments

Last resort. And it sends a message - even - if enacted by the states and added to our Constitution. That message is, it was required. It was demanded by Court abuse. If not for the Court, these Amendments would not have been added, by the states. It may seem Constitutional 'clutter' (other such amendments notwithstanding). But that pro-life message, and even such amendment, is as important as slavery, as Reagan saw, and so many others. And a defense of family amendment, also directed exclusively at the Court, again as a last resort, and nothing less, states what is so obvious that any Court should find it in almost every word of the Constitution.

10 posted on 07/14/2004 1:59:07 AM PDT by sevry
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To: dmc8576
I've already written to the two idiots (Levin/Stabenaw)from Michigan who will vote no. So far only one has answered me by saying he voted to pass the civil union bill and that should be enough. But tell that to the states that had those weird radical judges that took it upon themselves to change the rules because they are either homosexual themselves, or to liberal to care. I wrote him back and said "Thanks for nothing, if Michigan becomes one of the wacko states I'll be sure and spread the word that your the cause it happend."
11 posted on 07/14/2004 3:41:43 AM PDT by No Spin (The truth will come out someday)
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To: Pikamax

Someone please clear this up for me.

Does the amendment merely set the definition for 'marriage' for the Federal level, or does it impose the definition on state governments?


12 posted on 07/14/2004 4:11:46 AM PDT by MitchellC (No gamma rays for oil.)
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Does the amendment merely set the definition for 'marriage' for the Federal level, or does it impose the definition on state governments?

Since the U.S. Constitution trumps state constitutions, if marriage is strictly defined in the ammendment it limits the states to the same definition.

13 posted on 07/14/2004 4:15:11 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Ah, I see. Thanks.


14 posted on 07/14/2004 4:28:53 AM PDT by MitchellC (No gamma rays for oil.)
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To: Pikamax

McCain pointed out just how much of a RINO he was w/ his floor speech last night.


15 posted on 07/14/2004 4:34:07 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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