[steve-b]

application of the principle by the "gun-grabbers" is incorrect

Since you are applying the principle in exactly the same manner (i.e. both you and the gun-grabbers wish to constrain people's property rights on the grounds that it will allegedly prevent various indirect effects that supposedly get people killed), that's a pretty damning admission.

[Aquinasfan]

I don't know why I continue to pursue this, but let me try this another way.

Let's say that we realize your libertarian utopia where everyone agrees not to "initiate force against others," in the sense that you mean.

What then?

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Is that all there is?

Do we then all revel in drugs, pornography and prostitution and pat ourselves on the back for a job well done?