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TWENTY SUITCASE NUKES ALREADY IN THE UNITED STATES
NewsMax.com ^ | July 14, 2004 | Joan Swirsky

Posted on 07/14/2004 1:18:13 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: CHARLITE

One has to wonder if the people at Moveon.org are a bunch of these "lily whites".


101 posted on 07/14/2004 2:49:48 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion have been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: CHARLITE
Let's assume your terrorist group has a viable suitcase nuke. Never mind how you know it will work, just assume it will.

Every other terrorist cell in the world is going to want your nuke and will do anything to get it. Your nuke is going to be very much in demand, and you are going to have to protect it until you can set it off. If any of your buds even think you have it, they will be after it, and you won't be aware that they know you have it. Every other cell will imagine that their use for your bomb is better than yours.

You will be under tremendous pressure to pop it off as soon as you can, or someone else will get the glory.

So if there are viable suitcase nukes, anyone getting one will have a short time period in which to use it, probably months. You certainly won't leave it in a U-Stor-It for a year or two waiting for the best time.

Now let's consider how you will know it will work- do you think a Soviet suitcase nuke has a "test" button? You have the conventional explosive, which can degrade, the trigger switches for the conventional, which degrade, the battery (you think they run on a pair of 9's or maybe 4 AAA cells? You gonna replace a Soviet nuke military battery at Radio Shack?) and the neutron generator, which depends on a short half-life isotope. Electrolytic caps degrade slowly, and the radiation from the pit degrades everything including the electronics. Our nuke arsenal is constantly being repaired and maintained. It is very unlikely that a small portable demolition bomb will be operational after a dozen years of sitting around.

So maybe terrorists have already tried one or two- taken the elevator up to the observation deck of the Sears Tower, shouted some appropriate Arabic, and pushed the button- a huge nothing happens, and he goes to report back to his cell leader.

For amusement, http://www.osti.gov/historicalfilms/opentext/data/0800031.html

This video clip shows a Seal delivering a nuke- he jumps out of a helo and parachutes down into a harbor with a 10 kt bomb strapped to his belt.
102 posted on 07/14/2004 2:55:06 PM PDT by DBrow (SADM, Saddam, what's the diff?)
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To: mallardx
nonsense

That word best describes the whole briefcase/suitcase nuke issue!

103 posted on 07/14/2004 2:55:21 PM PDT by Don Carlos (Me cache en los Moros. Ancient Spanish curse. (Hate-speech since Spain's concession to terrorism)).)
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To: DBrow
This video clip shows a Seal delivering a nuke- he jumps out of a helo and parachutes down into a harbor with a 10 kt bomb strapped to his belt.

Positively no way this could happen. A suitcase nuke is extremely heavy, and would take two of the biggest and strongest men on earth to even move it.

104 posted on 07/14/2004 4:17:15 PM PDT by chainsaw (http://www.hanoi-john.org.)
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To: chainsaw

Well, watch the video. It's from the DOE nuclear history archives. The package is quite heavy.

Our Davy Crockett warhead weighed in at about ninety to a hundred ten pounds, without it's tail. You (well, I don't know you, but you know what I mean) could backpack a hundred pounds. I've done it, I could probably pack 150 for a couple miles. A fit, trained soldier can pack more. I don't think the "suitcase" nuke has a carry handle for a one-hand haul, IMO.

Innit inaressting that all these terror threats involve Soviet nukes, and never Davy Crockett, SADM, W54 or any of OUR stuff? Nobody shows up with a NIKE warhead, befor the days of PALs and day codes et al?


105 posted on 07/14/2004 4:41:26 PM PDT by DBrow (SADM, Saddam, what's the diff?)
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To: CHARLITE
Why isn't the information being widely publicized concerning the existence of 20 suitcase nuke bombs set and ready to be exploded any day now, in 20 American cities?

Because Paul L. Williams is a panic merchant making wild, unconnected and unfounded claims in order to hype his sucker bait book

106 posted on 07/14/2004 5:52:24 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (/"Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: aviator
Some months ago, a freeper stated that the trigger on these devices had a shelf life of 60 days.

That may be for a early polonium "urchin". But they are probably too unreliable to be used in anything other than a big crude overdesigned Hiroshima or Nagasaki sized weapon.

Tritium initiaters may be good for up to a year. (with reducing effectiveness - on some early variable-yield bombs the yield was "selected" by how long the bomb had been in the stockpile, unmaintaned)

107 posted on 07/14/2004 6:17:41 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (/"Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: aviator
Some months ago, a freeper stated that the trigger on these devices had a shelf life of 60 days.

I've got a problem with this statement.

I will tell you straight off I don't know the detailed physics related to these "suitcase nukes" or how they differ from designs utilized in U.S. strategic weapons.

What I do know, from having served in the U.S. Submarine Service, is that the U.S. over the past 40 years regularly deploys U.S. Submarines to sea for periods well beyond 60 days. Most of these Subs carried either missles (Polaris [A1,A2,A3], Poseiden [C3] or Trident [C4,D5] and/or various Nuke tipped torpedos - various. Depending upon the class of Sub, it may also carry W-80 Nuke tipped Tomahawk cruise missles.

I can assure you, we didn't go home after 60 days!

108 posted on 07/14/2004 7:41:28 PM PDT by Jambe
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To: CHARLITE

OMG, not 20 suitcase nukes! If there was only a book I could buy!?

/rhetorical question generator


109 posted on 07/14/2004 7:50:34 PM PDT by vezke
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To: DBrow
Our Davy Crockett warhead weighed in at about ninety to a hundred ten pounds

Davy Crockett and other tactical nukes weight is minus the shipping/storage container, which acts as a shield. The suitcase/briefcase nukes would have to be encapsuled in a very heavy shielded case. Heavy lifting on the order of an Arnold workout would be required to haul one of these mythical nukes around.

In my (not so humble) opinion, suitcase nukes exist only im the minds of those whose aim is to either terrorize or sell news print that will have the same effect. Recall the media diagrams of the Afghanistan caves? Turned out to be pure BS. Same thing will eventually be the fate of the suitcase nukes! C'mon folks! Lets start sorting out the raisins from the rabbit droppings!

110 posted on 07/14/2004 7:57:30 PM PDT by Don Carlos (Me cache en los Moros. Ancient Spanish curse. (Hate-speech since Spain's concession to terrorism)).)
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To: mikegi; AppyPappy
Now that supply has caught up with demand, I got mine on EBay last night for a mere $10,000,000.

You were lucky the guy didn't know the market. They're out of stock at www.villainsupply.com @ $12M (Uranium not included). But that's for Soviet trained assembly - you may have got some Chinese/Pak copy, they misfire a lot.

111 posted on 07/14/2004 9:10:11 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (/"Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: Oztrich Boy

Hit the switch with a hammer.


112 posted on 07/15/2004 4:49:06 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Servant of the 9

recent activities of the Al Qaeda prove they are trying all they can to terrorize the United States, particularly for the cause of the Iraq war led by the conservative administration
if they have 20 bombs which can be so-call anywhere hidden enough, why don't they explode one of them to prove that they are nuclear armed, and obviously as anybody with strategy thinking, such behavior will certainly make even the most conservative turn liberal, the matter I think isn't of the impending terrorist attack close to the US election in November or prior to November,because very apparently they can destroy the conservative agenda,the problem is whether they can(hijacking planes is not as sophisticated as making ICMBS) and they will(any difference for them whether Demorcrats or Republicans)
Don't forget that the Al Qaeda declared responsible for the blackout last year that paralysed the east coast, but such a blackout was later confirmed by a joint enginnering team of both the US and Canadian electric experts(for Canada was also mildly suffered from it, and furthermore Canada will absolutely disclose the truth if it were really a terrorist attack because they have an anti-iraq-war liberal administration that try to prove the current military action will incur more terrorism).Such bluff in my observation occured multiple times(At the beginning I was somehow frightened)I think the propaganda of the terrorism is much greater than the true threat posed by the terrorism.
another inconsistency:
the UN WMD inspection team confirm no WMD in iraq because they do not have the facility or people of expertise, in other words, WMD is somewhat assessible, they cannot be anywhere exist even in my refrigeritor,
the iraq, which is so popular a nation that have very strong desire of obtaining WMD, Saddam Hussien, a ambitious man with billions of dollars of assets(just not to mention the North Korea or Iran, nations that spend hundreds of millions of dollar on such nuclear program still have obastacles to be overcome in order to reluctantly make their nuclear dream implemented).
How can the Al Qaeda as it declared, 30 million for 20 highly modernized suitcase-sized nuke bombs.
but surprisingly the liberal media usually purport such information in obscure manner(they are not certain), those who work for MSNBC,NYTimes,CNN,so on, if that is the truth, I dare bet my
house to say:they will leave New York,Los Angles ASAP if they really believe in nuke bomb placed somewhere closed to the place they live and they work.


113 posted on 08/11/2004 10:17:12 AM PDT by nuke scavenger (david wong)
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To: Servant of the 9

recent activities of the Al Qaeda prove they are trying all they can to terrorize the United States, particularly for the cause of the Iraq war led by the conservative administration
if they have 20 bombs which can be so-call anywhere hidden enough, why don't they explode one of them to prove that they are nuclear armed, and obviously as anybody with strategy thinking, such behavior will certainly make even the most conservative turn liberal, the matter I think isn't of the impending terrorist attack close to the US election in November or prior to November,because very apparently they can destroy the conservative agenda,the problem is whether they can(hijacking planes is not as sophisticated as making ICMBS) and they will(any difference for them whether Demorcrats or Republicans)
Don't forget that the Al Qaeda declared responsible for the blackout last year that paralysed the east coast, but such a blackout was later confirmed by a joint enginnering team of both the US and Canadian electric experts(for Canada was also mildly suffered from it, and furthermore Canada will absolutely disclose the truth if it were really a terrorist attack because they have an anti-iraq-war liberal administration that try to prove the current military action will incur more terrorism).Such bluff in my observation occured multiple times(At the beginning I was somehow frightened)I think the propaganda of the terrorism is much greater than the true threat posed by the terrorism.
another inconsistency:
the UN WMD inspection team confirm no WMD in iraq because they do not have the facility or people of expertise, in other words, WMD is somewhat assessible, they cannot be anywhere exist even in my refrigeritor,
the iraq, which is so popular a nation that have very strong desire of obtaining WMD, Saddam Hussien, a ambitious man with billions of dollars of assets(just not to mention the North Korea or Iran, nations that spend hundreds of millions of dollar on such nuclear program still have obastacles to be overcome in order to reluctantly make their nuclear dream implemented).
How can the Al Qaeda as it declared, 30 million for 20 highly modernized suitcase-sized nuke bombs.
but surprisingly the liberal media usually purport such information in obscure manner(they are not certain), those who work for MSNBC,NYTimes,CNN,so on, if that is the truth, I dare bet my
house to say:they will leave New York,Los Angles ASAP if they really believe in nuke bomb placed somewhere closed to the place they live and they work.


114 posted on 08/11/2004 10:17:27 AM PDT by nuke scavenger
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To: martin_fierro

if they really have the bomb that can work, they will absolutely send through conventional routine that have to deal with the custom, there are many ways:
such as transport them to the badly defended Canada or Mexico and penetrate the border through means like parachute, light-model aircraft in low altitude to penetrate the airforce national guard, or through things like a aircraft with remote control capacity, and so on.
the point is if 20 bombs which require short term perodic maintainance placed in the most critical metropolitan:
I guess:
D.C
New York
Chicago
L.A
San Francisco
Phalidalphia
Boston
Detroit
Houston
Maimi
Denver
Las vegas
st Louis
Dallas
San Diego
Cleveland
New Orlean
Atlanta
Tampa
Seattle
the FBI just need to check the record of local hospital or nuclear physics labs or University, or any way that can have access nuke-detonating radiological material through commercial means to determine if the 20 bombs can be properly maintained.


115 posted on 08/11/2004 10:53:25 AM PDT by nuke scavenger
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To: nuke scavenger

There is something wrong with the above article
if they really have the bomb that can work, they will absolutely not deliver them through conventional routine that have to deal with the custom, there are many ways:
such as transport them to the badly defended Canada or Mexico and penetrate the border through means like parachute, light-model aircraft in low altitude to penetrate the airforce national guard, or through things like a aircraft with remote control capacity, and so on.
the point is if 20 bombs which require short term perodic maintainance placed in the most critical metropolitan:
I guess:
D.C
New York
Chicago
L.A
San Francisco
Phalidalphia
Boston
Detroit
Houston
Maimi
Denver
Las vegas
st Louis
Dallas
San Diego
Cleveland
New Orlean
Atlanta
Tampa
Seattle
the FBI just need to check the record of local hospital or nuclear physics labs or University, or any way that can have access nuke-detonating radiological material through commercial means to determine if the 20 bombs can be properly maintained.


116 posted on 08/11/2004 11:00:12 AM PDT by nuke scavenger
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