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1 posted on 07/16/2004 8:43:04 AM PDT by presidio9
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I once knew a Pediatrician that saved all the foreskins from circumcisions that he did and sewed them together to make a wallet. The only problem was that, when you rubbed it, it became a suitcase.


2 posted on 07/16/2004 8:45:31 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: presidio9

Just a little circumcision humor there.


3 posted on 07/16/2004 8:46:09 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: presidio9

I'm with mom on this one. Two and one-half is too old for surgery that has no real medical benefit. My own son is circumcised, so I don't have any strong bias here.


4 posted on 07/16/2004 8:46:35 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: jbeachgrl5

It seems to me that this isn't about the child at all. The child is a tool in this battle for either party to get revenge for previous arguments in the custody battle.

I could be wrong about it, tho'!


9 posted on 07/16/2004 8:55:18 AM PDT by CSM ("The Democrat Cocktail: Ketchup with a Chaser." by JennysCool (7/7/04))
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To: presidio9

Now for the serious opinion: Why is this even an issue, when the father has sole custody? Doesn't "sole custody" MEAN just that anymore, or has our society become so diluted with situational ethics that there can't be any absolutes?


12 posted on 07/16/2004 8:56:35 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: presidio9

I thought Female Genital Mutilation was illegal regardless. Oh, my mistake, they're talking about mutilating a little boy. Carry on.


48 posted on 07/16/2004 9:27:14 AM PDT by disclaimer
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To: presidio9
A child when he reaches majority should be able to sue both the doctor and the parent for ritual mutilation!
53 posted on 07/16/2004 9:31:09 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Liberals are like catfish ( all mouth and no brains )(bottom feeders))
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To: presidio9

He's going to have a time find a doc--no doc with any sense would do this.


55 posted on 07/16/2004 9:31:56 AM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: presidio9

>>granted sole custody

Case closed, should be thrown out of court.

Only avenue, IMO, is a change of custody attempt.


65 posted on 07/16/2004 9:37:54 AM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: presidio9
There are health considerations with this, such as increased risk of infection for uncircumcised individuals. Also it is a fact that the proceedure is much simpler with less post-op complications when done as an infant or small child rather than as an adult

When I worked in the hospital, I saw first hand an adult who had to undergo circumcision due to chronic infection of the foreskin, and it was the most painful looking thing I've ever seen. (I saw the post-op result, not the actual procedure) I believe that more than 120 stitches were used. After that, I vowed that any male children of mine would be circumcised as an infant so they would not have to endure something like this as an adult. That said, IMO if this child is to be circumcised, do it now, rather than letting him "decide himself" as an adult. I can't believe any adult would willingly choose this.

Finally, since the doctors feel it is an individual decision with no opinion one way or other, then the parent with full custody should decide - in this case, the father.

81 posted on 07/16/2004 9:55:02 AM PDT by BrynS728
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To: presidio9

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89 posted on 07/16/2004 10:05:37 AM PDT by US admirer
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To: presidio9

What I can't stand are people who can't figure these solutions out between them without going to the courts... Good grief people, be reasonable.


92 posted on 07/16/2004 10:08:54 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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For reference, the following is the official position of the AMA and the American Academy of Pediatrics:

Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficent to recommend routine neonatal circumcision. In the case of circumcision; in which there are potential benefits, yet the procedure is not essential to the child's current well-being, parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child. To make an informed choice, parents of all infants should be given unbiased information and be provided the opportunity to discuss this decision. It is legitimate for parents to take into account cultural, religious, and ethnic traditions, in addition to medical factors, when making this decision. Analgesia is safe and effective in reducing the procedural pain associated with circumcision; therefore, if a decision for circumcision is made, procedural analgesia should be provided. If circumcision is performed in the newborn period, it should be done only on infants who are stable and healthy.

142 posted on 07/16/2004 11:12:43 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: presidio9

Let him make decisions to also:

Play in the street,
Go to school,
Eat his veggies,
Get smallpox vaccination,
When to be weaned,
And, lastly...
Whether to empty his diaper or not..........


193 posted on 07/16/2004 12:40:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: presidio9
"Everyone has their bias. But we try to base recommendations on sound medical evidence and it just isn't there to say yes or no," Dr. Ken Wible said.

The medical evidence isn't there to say yes (someone married to a circumcised man may be less likely to get cervical cancer). But it is there to say no (someone who is circumcised definitely will lose the complete functionality of the sexual apparatus and the way it was supposed to work). Unfortunately a lot of opposition to leaving the baby uncircumcised as he was made is of the kind voiced by a sister-in-law: "Eeeuuuu! Of course we're going to circumcise him! Otherwise we'd have to clean it all the time!"

Yeah, and why not just get the kid a colostomy, too, until he's old enough to start wiping his own butt?
250 posted on 07/16/2004 3:17:50 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: presidio9

As the circumcision of girls is illegal, boys should at least have a chance to wait until they are old enough to make an informed decision. And in almost all cases, that decision should be no, as the benefits seldom outweigh the risks.


271 posted on 07/23/2004 7:12:25 PM PDT by mens_issues (Men's Issues Online - a voice for men's advocacy - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MensIssuesOnline)
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