Posted on 07/17/2004 4:30:30 PM PDT by Shermy
Great Job!
Mark Steyn: How a serial liar suckered Dems and the mediaBUSH LIED!! Not.
BLAIR LIED!!! Not.
But it turns out JOE WILSON LIED! PEOPLE DIED. Of embarrassment mostly. At least I'm assuming that's why the New York Times, MSNBC's Chris Matthews, PBS drone Bill Moyers and all the other media bigwigs Joseph C. Wilson IV suckered have fallen silent on the subject of the white knight of integrity they've previously given the hold-the-front-page treatment, too.
Absolutely!
I should have given the link ... HERE IT IS
My thoughts also!
*** CEO of JCWilson International Ventures Corp***
Last summer ol' Joe had a fancy website of his own touting all the ways his company was available for liaison and support in matters involving Africa and the Middle East. It even listed his wife as one of the experts on his 'team.' That 'page' no longer exists, although the link to it is still on the Middle East Institute's website.
^^^^^^^^
http://www.mideasti.org/about/about_experts_alpha.html#JWilson
AMB. JOSEPH C. WILSON, IV
Adjunct Scholar
Expertise
Iraq, Military/Defense, Regional Security, Terrorism, US-Arab Relations, US Foreign Policy, Saddam Hussein
Experience
• CEO of JCWilson International Ventures Corp
• Deputy Chief of Mission in Baghdad, Iraq (1988-1991) during Gulf Crisis
• Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council (1997-1998)
• Political Advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of United States Armed Forces, Europe (1995-1997)
• Served as Ambassador to the Gabonese Republic and the Democratic Republic of Sao Tome and Principe, and Deputy Chief of Mission in Brazzaville, Congo (1986-88) and Bujumbura, Burundi (1982)
• American Political Science Association Congressional Fellow for Senator Albert Gore and the House Majority Whip, Rep. Thomas Foley
• Served as member of the U.S. Diplomatic Service in Niger, Togo, and South Africa and in the State Department Bureau of African Affairs
Education
• BA, University of California at Santa Barbara, 1972
••••
For media or other inquiries about MEI experts, contact the Communications Department at communications@mideasti.org
And now for a little Sunday humor:
***one of the principal architects of President Clinton’s historic trip to Africa in March 1998. ***
Africa sure has improved since the historic trip, n'est-ce pas?
AMBASSADOR JOSEPH C. WILSON, IV
Ambassador Wilson is CEO of JCWilson International Ventures, Corp., a firm specializing in Strategic Management and International Business Development.
Ambassador Wilson served as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council from June 1997 until July 1998. In that capacity he was responsible for the coordination of U.S. policy to the 48 countries of sub-Saharan Africa. He was one of the principal architects of President Clinton’s historic trip to Africa in March 1998.
http://www.fishkite.com/notes/ambassadorwilsonbio.htm
Is this interview part of your database? I do not know who David Borgida is, but the date of the conversation is interesting - one week after the invasion began:
http://www.iraqcrisisbulletin.COM/
IRAQ CRISIS BULLETIN
MARCH 26, 2003
AMBASSADOR WILSON ON DEVELOPMENTS IN IRAQ
DAVID BORGIDA
WASHINGTON
Ambassador Joe Wilson, with J.C. Wilson International Ventures Corp., and is also associated with the Middle East Institute in Washington D.C. He is a former U.S. diplomat in Iraq.
MR. BORGIDA: Let's talk some politics and diplomacy in the region first. The Iraqis have criticized some of the Arab foreign ministers for not supporting Iraq strongly enough. I wonder what your take on that is. How does that impact on the politics of the region if Iraq is just lashing out at Arab foreign ministers?
AMBASSADOR WILSON: Well, I don't think it helps Iraq's case in any way. At the end of the day, no Arab government is going to be seen or going to want to be seen as the last friend of Saddam Hussein. And what you are seeing, I believe, in the Arab world is a lot of empathy for the plight of Iraqi citizens and nationals. And that's where it becomes important for the United States and the coalition forces to address the humanitarian aid issue that you just reported on in Basra.
But with respect to the Iraqi Government lashing out at Arab foreign ministers, it's too late for that.
MR. BORGIDA: And there appears to have been, at least from some reports, a Saudi peace plan, although the State Department is now saying it has not received any at least credible or official offering of that kind. Is it too late to offer something like that at this point in the sixth day of the war?
AMBASSADOR WILSON: I think the President made very clear yesterday, or the day before yesterday, that the option of Saddam going into exile was off the table, and that it was every intention of the administration and of the coalition forces to take Baghdad and remove him from his regime by force. The fact that we have troops literally on the edge of Baghdad suggests that we're not going to stop until that task is accomplished. So, whatever the Saudis may be coming up with, it probably is too little, too late.
MR. BORGIDA: Tariq Aziz, whom we saw in one of our previous reports, was saying very emphatically that Saddam Hussein is firmly in power, responding I guess to speculation that perhaps he is either wounded or unavailable and not authorizing military action in terms of the Iraqi side. What do you make of that?
AMBASSADOR WILSON: Well, I know Tariq Aziz, of course. And what I can say is that it may be in fact true that Saddam Hussein is in charge, but not because Tariq Aziz has said so. Tariq Aziz is very articulate and very erudite, but the bottom line on him from my perspective is, would you buy a used car from that man? And I wouldn't. He has lied to me on many occasions on issues pertaining to the lives and the welfare of American citizens being held hostage in Iraq during the Gulf War, and also just being forbidden from traveling outside of the war zone at that time.
So, I don't trust a thing that Tariq Aziz has to say.
MR. BORGIDA: Let's move to the chemical weapons threat, because this is something that is clearly on the hearts and minds of the soldiers out there as well as families and loved ones in the United States. Would you expect that, in these next few days, in the press to go to Baghdad, that chemical or biological weapons might be used by Saddam at this point?
AMBASSADOR WILSON: Well, this is actually one area where I might believe Tariq Aziz, because he told me quite emphatically in 1988-89, in a meeting dealing with the Iran-Iraq War, that the Iraqis reserve the right to use every weapon and any weapon in their arsenal when they were invaded. Now, they clearly are calling the American action, the coalition action, an invasion. And when he says they reserve the right to use every weapon in their arsenal, I assume that to mean chemical and biological weapons, if they have them and can use them. So, our military planners ought to be anticipating that they will, if they can, use chemical weapons and/or biological weapons.
MR. BORGIDA: That is very, very disconcerting at the least. Let's talk, in the last minute or so we have, about another disconcerting point. And that is a potential humanitarian and refugee problem in Basra, where it appears that some of the efforts to get food into that port are being blocked. Are you concerned about that?
AMBASSADOR WILSON: Well, stuff will come up either through Kuwait, by land, or else through Umm Qasr, which is the port facility. Basra has been silted for many years, so it will have to come overland to Basra anyway. But the fact that there is still violence going on there and the fact that we don't believe that it's secure enough to begin moving humanitarian assistance in there is troublesome. Apparently there has not been fresh water since last Friday. You are getting now on to a length of time that it becomes dangerous for the population. It's difficult to win the hearts and minds of the population if they're hungry and thirsty and are getting sick.
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Thanks for the ping and the excellent work, you have far more patience and determination than I do. You should see if the WSJ or Washington Times would print an op-ed or letter to the editor from you clarifying Wilson's lies.
Well, there are plenty of us that documented the site and took down his biography, verbatim. Also, just so it is clear, it wasn't his company site, but a "think tank" that he was associated with as one of their "fellows".
This leads to an interesting comment about the new media and how the demoSCUM will use this in their ever-continue string of bullsh*t arguments...
With the ability to put something (anything) up on a website, the demoCRACKs have an endless medium to launch the utterly fallacious attacks they are famous for. Then, they will pull the website after the controversy is whipped up and/or an investigation has been called for against their political opponents.
The Wilson situation is not that much different.
Wilson started the ball rolling with griping to the media (specifically Walter Pincus of the Washington [Com]Post), which ran some stories on the web on June 28. It was a trial balloon to take advantage of the situation. It worked. Then, Wilson, himself, writes the indignantly-titled article "What I Didn't Find in Africa".
But, here's the interesting part. On February 28 --about 1 month after the SOTU address and, presumably, when Wilson would have been the most upset by the President's brash remarks-- he said nothing during an in-depth interview with Bill Moyers of PBS. And, while the Moyers spot would have been a perfect place to launch such a missive (and been perfectly received even fueled by Moyers himself), it wasn't.
It wasn't until later that Wilson and his demoRAT friends contrived the scandal that never happened. They used Internet stories to get the "scandal" ball rolling.
We can expect the same thing in the future.
Now, I will blame the Bush administration for something: apologizing. When the President and/or his spokespeople said that "the intelligence didn't rise to the level" they opened the door. They shouldn't have apologized then. They should have said,
"We operate on the best intelligence that can be gathered. MI-6 is a very reliable source. If you wish to challenge the veracity of MI-6's claims, feel free to do so. We feel that MI-6 does not have to answer any credibility questions and feel comfortable with the intelligence they have provided.Next question, as in, "end of story", "that subject is done", or, as the British say, "BUGGER OFF!"
Next question."
That's the way the administration should have handled that.
Well, there are plenty of us that documented the site and took down his biography, verbatim. Also, just so it is clear, it wasn't his company site, but a "think tank" that he was associated with as one of their "fellows".
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I know which website that you mean - where Wilson is described as an Adjunct Fellow.
Wilson's Company had a website touting his business
Can you believe that Wilson was wearing the same green tie, although with a blue check shirt, instead of plain blue shirt, on his appearance with Wolf Blitzer today.
Is it his good luck shirt, or a signal to someone, or his only tie???
Watch for this expression to be used on tomorrow's talking head shows. The defense attorney style questioners will give him a chance to defend himself and lie in any way he wants.
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Ol' Amb Joe had to have lots of notes and files in front of him today as he talked to Wolf Blitzer. He was ridiculous with his specs on the end of his nose trying to keep the dialogue going. I assume that he could not keep straight how he was going to finesse all the various lies that he had told last year to news agencies and to the committee and published in his book.
Robert Novak is big at CNN and it sounded to me like Wolf was NOT pleased with ol' Joe. the questioning was pointed.
Kudos!!! Thanks for the ping!
Excellent work Shermy.
I still think Joe had a hand in forging the obviously forged document. Somehow he knows all about the document even though he claims he has never read it even though Andrea Mitchell gave it to him. The document is his whole story and he doesn't read it when given the opportunity to read it. Incredible! There are only two reasons he wouldn't read it when Mitchell gave it to him. One he forged it or two he has already read it, which he would have to deny, because there is no plausible reason for him having access to it. Surely it would have been classified since its discovery at which time he was no longer working for the CIA. Either possibility are damning and probably criminal. So he's never seen the document and yet he knows that his trip to Niger proves it is a fake. How is he so sure?
Wilson works at the The Middle East Institute (a favorite of the Saudis) headed by ex-Ambassador to Saudi Arabia Edward Walker. He has proudly declared that his goal in life is to destroy George Bush’s Presidency.
This self serving liar was recently hired by the Kerry campaign. Wilson is also a fierce critic of Israel, so the Saudis seem to have spent their money wisely.
This is what Wilson told students at the U of Washington:
"I don't care who you vote for, but get out there and caucus. Don't leave it to the neoconservatives and evangelical Christians," Mr. Wilson said.
His hate drives his actions. Nothing he says or has said can be trusted.
From Wilson: the director general of the IAEA reported to the U.N. Security Council that the documents that had been given to him were "not authentic." His deputy, Jacques Baute, was even more direct, pointing out that the forgeries were so obvious that a quick Google search would have exposed their flaws.
An intelligence service would have given us a forgery that was google-proof, with the right signatures and dates, if it was intended to prove a connection between Iraq and Niger.
The fact that the forgery was so lame indicates that the forgery was intended to be easily identified as a forgery.
Of course, according to Wilson, any documentary evidence of a sale would be a forgery because no sale took place: ...whether such a transaction took place or could take place. It had not and could not. By definition that makes the documents bogus.
He asserts that no transaction took place, and any document saying otherwise is ipso facto bogus. His evidence that it didn't happen? France is our ally, and they wouldn't do that. Niger is our ally and they wouldn't do that. Saddam didn't need anymore uranium, in Wilson's opinion, and therefore wouldn't have sought anymore.
The problem with this, of course, is that an assertion isn't evidence, and Wilson's assertions contradict what he told the CIA, at least according to Tenet. And it contradicts the word of the same Nigerien prime minister who, while not admitting any transaction, did admit an attempt by Iraq to set up such a transaction.
There's a lot easier way to get it if they wanted.
In the hills above Demming NM yellow cake uranium is laying all over the ground, you don't even have to dig for it.
Pick it up drive across the border to Mexico and ship it out.
Merci
My understanding that he is a Republican? ALso, he went to Niger in 2002? At that time Kerry was not a candidate? Today he may be a Kerry Supporter, perhaps because the administration pissed him off?
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