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Office Messes (Attention Deficit Disorder & ADHD, long read)
NY Times ^ | July 18, 2004 | LISA BELKIN

Posted on 07/17/2004 11:43:25 PM PDT by neverdem

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While it may seem that ADD is an imaginary disorder created to give psychologists full employment, I have seen it in the children I teach (who are too young to make up non-existent symptoms).

One of the problems that the author didn't write about is that brain chemistry is affected by diet and environmental substances like cleaning products or mold. An extreme example is what sniffing glue does to people.

A brilliant pioneer in the field is Dr. Doris Rapp, who discovered a unique way to diagnose ADD in your child. If you suspect an allergy to milk, for example, you eliminate it from the diet for at least a week. Then you give the child a glass of milk and compare handwriting samples before and after. You can clearly see a big difference.

Check out her website:

http://www.drrapp.com/products.html

21 posted on 07/18/2004 6:19:28 AM PDT by Liberty Wins
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To: neverdem

started to read it, got sidetracked...


22 posted on 07/18/2004 6:22:44 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: fso301
I am sorry about the extensive ignorance displayed in the comments.ADHD is a neurological disorder scientifically established by neuroimaging of the brain.
In particular one feature is often present called executive functioning disorder. Teenagers have this difficulty of organizing and prioritizing in the moment because the front cortex of the brain is still developing which controls those functions; hence the name executive functioning which governs doing things which OTHERWISE WOULD JUST BE ACTED UPON BY EMOTION.Executive functioning is only fully developed for most people in their thirties.
Unfortunately for some people that brain function does not develop as others.Hence one must find accomodative means to compensate
23 posted on 07/18/2004 7:04:23 AM PDT by young335 (posted by young335)
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To: Liberty Wins
The people who really have this problem will see that stimulants actually calm them down instead of rev them up like the rest of the population.

People that are scatterbrained and disorganized but stimulants make them even more so do not have A.D.H.D.

24 posted on 07/18/2004 7:12:37 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: big'ol_freeper

Ping


25 posted on 07/18/2004 7:24:36 AM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: neverdem
"She has coached clients as far away as Moscow and as close as across town without ever seeing them, charging up to $400 an hour for her services. Ratey takes 15 clients at a time, and she describes them as a mix of executives, professors, lawyers, doctors and authors.

Where's there's money (in treating a "new" disease) there's a way (to hype that "new" disease)!

Let's see 400.00 per hour, times 10 hours in a good day, times working by email so you can treat several people per hour, times 15 clients .....

26 posted on 07/18/2004 7:36:29 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly ... But Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS press corpse lies every day.)
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To: martin_fierro

You want MY F**KING ATTENTION? Wonderful little amimation there. So kind-hearted.


27 posted on 07/18/2004 7:39:47 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Piranha

Summary: If people who aren't reliable blame it on a ficticious but well-known mental disorder, they have a greater chance of getting away with unreliable behavior than otherwise.


28 posted on 07/18/2004 7:49:33 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: neverdem

You'd be surprised how far actually caring about one's work goes in getting one to work on time, getting the work done properly, etc.

I had a job once that I just couldn't get to on time, regularly... then I switched jobs to one I felt was more purposeful, and voila, problems disappeared.


29 posted on 07/18/2004 7:52:17 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: KittyKares

Don't you think it odd that people who think they have ADD manage to summon enough attention to subjects about which they have genuine concern?


30 posted on 07/18/2004 7:53:50 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: neverdem
Whew!

What a relief!

I thought I was just a slob. Nice to learn that I may have a disability.

31 posted on 07/18/2004 7:55:56 AM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: Liberty Wins
While it may seem that ADD is an imaginary disorder created to give psychologists full employment, I have seen it in the children I teach (who are too young to make up non-existent symptoms).

It's called too much television!

32 posted on 07/18/2004 7:57:32 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: young335

It's amazing how the world went so far without anyone managing to identify such an allegedly widespread disorder.

I don't believe in ADD any more than I believe in the tooth fairy or that human activity causes global warming.

Behavioral issues show up on neuroscans, too, and ADD is entirely behavioral, not physiological. The behavior is identical to the effect of watching too much TV - short attention span and no patience for anything that does not provide immediate gratification.

I think ADD should be mocked until people are too ashamed to pretend they have such a disorder. Social pressure is in this case truly the best medicine.


33 posted on 07/18/2004 8:01:25 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: webstersII; neverdem; DollyCali
The people who really have this problem will see that stimulants actually calm them down instead of rev them up like the rest of the population.

I can vouch for this, having a family member who has ADHD and has not outgrown it. It is a chemical imbalance in the brain, pure and simple. That doesn't mean that I think that every single case of it is properly diagnosed, however.

34 posted on 07/18/2004 8:08:01 AM PDT by ride the whirlwind
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To: thoughtomator
This is NOT about ADD or AHDD, or whatever the acronym of the day is. It IS about removing creativity, non-comformity and independence from the workplace. Be good little drone!

Just keep punching that clock at exactly 8:00:00 AM and 5:00:00 PM and make SURE you meet those important DIVERSITY GOALS!

It is an attempt to create a society of 99.997% sheep, by drugging the MOST vital, most creative, most independent of us.

35 posted on 07/18/2004 8:09:13 AM PDT by bvw
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To: ride the whirlwind
Ri-i-ight. A chemical im-balance ... unbalanced ... can't have those. Let's drug 'em! Let's geen test and ABORT them!
36 posted on 07/18/2004 8:10:55 AM PDT by bvw
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To: neverdem

I believe that's one of the longest posts I've read at FR. Good read, even from the NYT. Don't agree with it all, but a good read on a quiet Sunday Morning out on the porch.


37 posted on 07/18/2004 8:15:56 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: searchandrecovery

"Oh yeah, almost forgot, need a victim advocacy group - how about MAADD (Mothers Against ADD)?"

They can join forces with DAM - Mothers Against Dyslexia.


38 posted on 07/18/2004 8:16:30 AM PDT by jim macomber (Author: "Bargained for Exchange", "Art & Part", "A Grave Breach" http://www.jamesmacomber.com)
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To: megatherium
Absolutely in my case (I have it) it is a problem. Like your friend, when I was treated for it, I felt like I had finally become part of the human species. I was more productive. Then, I stopped with Adderal a couple of years ago because it left me zoned at the end of the day.

I'm almost as productive now as I was before, but it takes a great deal of effort, longer hours and I still make a lot of mistakes. I've managed to cover it up at work but I plan in the next month or so to get back onto Adderal. I'm tired of coming home after 8pm every night.

The naysayers ("ADD doesn't exist!") don't annoy me as much as they used to; and I'd gladly forego a little IQ if I could consistently remember my shoes and work badge before walking out the door : )

By the way, does anyone know of any medication (besides Adderal or Ritalin) that won't leave a body so tired at the end of the day?

39 posted on 07/18/2004 8:28:15 AM PDT by paulsy
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To: thoughtomator

"It's called too much television!"

No, it isn't. Do normal children get out of bed in the middle of night and go the living room and sit on the couch cross-legged rocking forward and back for hours? And I wasn't watching TV. We only had a B&W TV when I was a child and the two available english language stations had little programming of interest to a child. That's just one little example of ADHD behaviour, one that I exhibited as a young child.

Now, whether it is really a disorder or disability or whatever is highly debatable. I personally believe it is just part of the spectrum of normal human psychology. It has its good side and its bad side. It's not a great benefit in doing software QA test engineering, like I do, but I manage. Fortuantely my innate intelligence makes up somewhat for my lack of organization and focus.


40 posted on 07/18/2004 8:31:18 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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