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Kerry aide (Cleland): Bush 'flat-out lied' on Iraq
Yahoo AFP ^ | July 19, 2004 | AFP

Posted on 07/19/2004 2:32:28 PM PDT by EllaMinnow

US Democrats stepped up attacks on George W. Bush's anti-terror policies when an official of White House candidate John Kerry (news - web sites)'s campaign said the president "flat-out lied" over the Iraq war.

Former senator Max Cleland made his remarks in a conference call to reporters with Democratic chairman Terry McAuliffe as part of a party offensive ahead of this week's release of a major report sure to fuel criticism of Bush's war on terror.

Cleland, a national co-chairman of Kerry's campaign, described the Bush administration's arguments that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and ties to al-Qaeda terrorists, as a "pack of lies."

The former lawmaker from the southern state of Georgia defended the vote that he, Kerry and others cast in the Senate to authorize military intervention in Iraq, saying the Congress was "flat-out lied to."

Asked whether they were lied to by the intelligence services or the White House, he said emphatically: "By the president, by the vice president and by the secretary of defense."

"Now why did Bush go to war in Iraq? Because he concluded that his daddy was a failed president and one of the ways he failed was that he did not take out Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)," Cleland said, referring to the 1991 Gulf war.

He added that Kerry, from Massachusetts, agreed with the assessment of Bush's credibility.

"About a year ago John Kerry said,'The president lied, he lied to me personally,'" said Cleland, a badly wounded Vietnam war veteran.

Cleland, who has led the cadre of Kerry's Vietnam comrades supporting the candidate, went further than the draft Democratic platform to be adopted next week by the party's convention for its drive to unseat Bush in November.

The draft says, "People of good will disagree about whether America should have gone to war in Iraq, but this much is clear: This Administration badly exaggerated its case."

But McAuliffe did not back away from Cleland's allegation of outright lying. He said only that the platform committee "did an excellent job of representing where this party stands as it relates to issues on national security."

"The platform does not get into specifics on all the different issues. ... It is a document that all Democrats can run on."

Spokesmen for the Kerry campaign did not immediately return phone calls asking whether Cleland's remarks reflected the candidate's position.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan shrugged off the Democrats' remarks, saying, "all they can offer is more political attacks" while the rest of the world had agreed on the Iraqi threat based on available intelligence.

"I would remind you that the president's opponent looked at that same intelligence and made the same decision to support the use the force to remove that regime from power," McClellan said. "I know he's all over the map since that time."

The Democrats' conference call was one of a series of broadsides at Bush, orchestrated by the Kerry campaign ahead of the release Thursday of the final report of a national panel investigating the September 11, 2001 terror attacks.

The document, following 17 staff reports already made public, was expected to be highly critical of the Bush administration for intelligence failures and other lapses surrounding the attacks.

Cleland, who served briefly on the national panel, said the move to invade Iraq without widespread world support was "one of the great strategic errors" of US military history and actually left the country more vulnerable to terrorism.

"This country is less safe and less secure because of George Bush's decision to go to war alone and alienate the Arab and Islamic world and generate more recruits for al-Qaeda," he said.


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1 posted on 07/19/2004 2:32:29 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: EllaMinnow

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2 posted on 07/19/2004 2:33:32 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Re-elect Bush - because Kerry just doesn't have the time.)
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To: EllaMinnow

Just reading from the sheet musics provided him by the DNC. They are all saying the same stuff.


3 posted on 07/19/2004 2:35:06 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: EllaMinnow; Howlin; kcvl; Mo1

This is as bad as you could get for the Kerry campaign....


4 posted on 07/19/2004 2:35:21 PM PDT by Dog
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To: EllaMinnow

I hope someone has an audio tape of that hateful freak. Will he lash out the same way at the convention? That would look good on national tv.


5 posted on 07/19/2004 2:35:54 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: EllaMinnow

dangerous tactic


6 posted on 07/19/2004 2:36:03 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: EllaMinnow
What is he on about? Lyin' Joe "Liar" Wilson has been outed. That dog won't hunt.

Max, you don't have a leg to stand on here.

7 posted on 07/19/2004 2:36:11 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: RobbyS
He added that Kerry, from Massachusetts, agreed with the assessment of Bush's credibility.So Senator Kerry will you back this up??
8 posted on 07/19/2004 2:37:02 PM PDT by Dog
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To: EllaMinnow

Straight out of the DNC playbook. We've got mountains of evidence that W didn't lie but they keep spouting the same BS...


9 posted on 07/19/2004 2:37:35 PM PDT by RockinRight (Liberalism IS the status quo)
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To: EllaMinnow
"Cleland, who served briefly on the national panel, said the move to invade Iraq without widespread world support was "one of the great strategic errors" of US military history and actually left the country more vulnerable to terrorism."

How can he stand to be photographed with a man who voted to invade Iraq without that widespread world support?


10 posted on 07/19/2004 2:38:10 PM PDT by mass55th (We are The Knights Who Say "Ni!" No! Not The Knights Who Say "Ni!" The same!)
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To: generalissimoduane

Fyi...


11 posted on 07/19/2004 2:38:11 PM PDT by Dog
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To: EllaMinnow
said Cleland, a badly wounded Vietnam war veteran - you get drunk and play with hand grenades ca-ca happens.
12 posted on 07/19/2004 2:38:15 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: EllaMinnow

Wasn't Cleland a co-sponsor of the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998?


13 posted on 07/19/2004 2:39:56 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: EllaMinnow

This statement has the scent of desperation on it.


14 posted on 07/19/2004 2:41:01 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Fair, balanced...and unafraid.")
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To: EllaMinnow

Max Cleland, a badly wounded Vietnam war veteran, thinks he can say anything he wants because he is a "war hero".


15 posted on 07/19/2004 2:42:03 PM PDT by malia (HRC "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Dr.Deth
Max, you don't have a leg to stand on here.

Har! Let's give Maxie a hand......or two. I'm beginning to think every speech he gives is a stump speech, so to speak.

16 posted on 07/19/2004 2:42:26 PM PDT by tbpiper (Michael Moore…..the Erich von Däniken of political documentary)
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To: Dog

Campaign Carl Cameron said this is a preview of what we're likely to hear at their convention.


17 posted on 07/19/2004 2:42:58 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: EllaMinnow

The venom is beginning to pour out of the snakes.


18 posted on 07/19/2004 2:43:01 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Cream rises to the top, but in a secular culture, so does the slime.)
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To: dc-zoo

I'm betting there is a tape. But I'm also betting that it's locked in the DNC vault with the Whoopi video.


19 posted on 07/19/2004 2:43:26 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Re-elect Bush - because Kerry just doesn't have the time.)
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To: Dr.Deth
Max, you don't have a leg to stand on here.

All I can say is "wow."

20 posted on 07/19/2004 2:43:35 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Dr.Deth
He's reading month-old talking points.

Do these people believe that thinking Americans can't see through their disingenuousness? The left only support wars that are conducted by Democrat presidents, usually ones that are never in the vital interest of the United States. Whenever a Republican leads the nation into war for vital interests, they oppose those. Do they think they'll get any mileage by positioning themselves on wars based on partisanship?

21 posted on 07/19/2004 2:43:59 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Fair, balanced...and unafraid.")
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To: malia
"Max Cleland, a badly wounded Vietnam war veteran, thinks he can say anything he wants because he is a "war hero".

War hero? How does one become a war hero when they blow themselves up?

22 posted on 07/19/2004 2:44:39 PM PDT by mass55th (We are The Knights Who Say "Ni!" No! Not The Knights Who Say "Ni!" The same!)
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To: EllaMinnow

Where is the loony Democrat list?

Former senator butterfingers is being used because he provides a PC visual image.

It is worth contrasting his non-combate accident with Kerry's combat hangnails.


23 posted on 07/19/2004 2:44:48 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: dc-zoo; Dog

Bill Richardson was saying yesterday how determined they are to tone down the Bush-bashing at the convention.

Yeah, right.


24 posted on 07/19/2004 2:44:49 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Re-elect Bush - because Kerry just doesn't have the time.)
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To: dc-zoo

If that is the case, Kerry will lose ground after the Democrat convention.


25 posted on 07/19/2004 2:45:15 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: dc-zoo

A hate-Bush fest. Good. Let America be appalled at the tasteless partisanship of the Democrats.


26 posted on 07/19/2004 2:45:27 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Fair, balanced...and unafraid.")
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To: EllaMinnow

this kind of crap will come back to haunt kerry


27 posted on 07/19/2004 2:45:32 PM PDT by The Wizard (Democrats: enemies of America)
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To: dc-zoo

Good, let them open their foul mouths! They can only bring themselves down!


28 posted on 07/19/2004 2:46:02 PM PDT by presidentbowen (God Bless Ronald Reagan!)
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To: EllaMinnow

This will go over about as well as a drunk guy playing with a hand grenade...


29 posted on 07/19/2004 2:46:05 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Stop thinking, and end your problems. — Lao Tzu)
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To: tbpiper

I earlier had some respect for Cleland. Now he's just another campaign goon.


30 posted on 07/19/2004 2:46:08 PM PDT by jimfree (Never did no wanderin' after all.)
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To: EllaMinnow

There was a running joke while Stumpy was head of the VA that he was the WORST thing to happen to Vets since they left VietNam!!!

31 posted on 07/19/2004 2:46:17 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: EllaMinnow

Now we know why Cleland was not re-elected.


32 posted on 07/19/2004 2:46:37 PM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: EllaMinnow
This is a big story, and about fifteen minutes old, so I added 'breaking' to the post. If there's any flak because of this, it should be mine.

PS: Cleland is a lying scumbag.

33 posted on 07/19/2004 2:46:53 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: EllaMinnow

How can this hero who gave so much personally in defending freedom now so disgrace himself in the name of politics? The DemocRATic party is a cult.


34 posted on 07/19/2004 2:47:47 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: EllaMinnow

Yeah, just wait until AlGore and Howie Dean get the crowd wound up and the screaming begins (have popcorn ready).


35 posted on 07/19/2004 2:48:04 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Dr.Deth
HERE is a link to an old Boston Herald editorial (10/03) that discusses the fact that Joe Wilson was working for the Kerry campaign at the time the "Bush Lied" campaign was begun. Chris Lehane, the infamous campaign dirty trickster was behind the whole thing. Please help me demand that Kerry apologize for this slanderous lie.
36 posted on 07/19/2004 2:48:16 PM PDT by Eva
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To: EllaMinnow

Let's use the right verb; he was badly INJURED, but never WOUNDED at all.


37 posted on 07/19/2004 2:49:40 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: EllaMinnow
If Cleland is the best ax man Kerry has it should be a shoe-in for Bush. I think he called Bush a Bully? Well then that makes Kerry a Wimp!
38 posted on 07/19/2004 2:49:41 PM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak)
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To: EllaMinnow

Whatever you say Max. Just drink your koolaid and repeat the chant.


39 posted on 07/19/2004 2:49:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (John kerry is unbalanced)
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To: OldFriend

I had forgotten that Max Cleland was an original nominee to the 9/11 Commission, till the White House refused to accept him and Kerrey got the seat instead.

As much of a circus as the Commission is - just imagine how it would be with Cleland there.


40 posted on 07/19/2004 2:50:01 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Re-elect Bush - because Kerry just doesn't have the time.)
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To: EllaMinnow

Cleland has never forgiven Georgia for squashing his attempt to be Teddy Kennedy South. As a result, he bitterly lashes out at the President and anyone else he can blame for the loss of his Senate seat.


41 posted on 07/19/2004 2:50:21 PM PDT by catpuppy (Kerry-Edwards! The vet and his pet.)
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To: EllaMinnow
Cleland you idiot! You're being used by the Rats and you don't even know it....if anyone is lying it is the DemoRats who are lying about your military service!! After the election these people are going to throw you to the wolves they'll have no use for you anymore then what you gonna do??
42 posted on 07/19/2004 2:50:42 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: My2Cents

Cleland is being used because he is a triple amputee and anyone who condemn his stupidity will be accused of attacking the cripple.

It is a girly man thing to do.


43 posted on 07/19/2004 2:51:12 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: EllaMinnow

Getta grip Max


44 posted on 07/19/2004 2:52:04 PM PDT by afnamvet (Retired, USAF Vietnam 68-69 ...no surrender, no quarter)
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To: EllaMinnow

Cleland should take a hike.


45 posted on 07/19/2004 2:52:59 PM PDT by TommyDale ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." --Hillary Clinton)
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To: dc-zoo
Campaign Carl Cameron said this is a preview of what we're likely to hear at their convention.

And what we're not likely to hear on ABCNNBCBS, who will no doubt edit all the unsavory parts when they report on the convention. This is why I plan to record every minute of C-SPAN's coverage, for future use.

46 posted on 07/19/2004 2:53:45 PM PDT by giotto
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To: mass55th
How does one become a war hero when they blow themselves up?

According to the left, there are plenty of Palestinian war "heroes". They reportedly use "the only weapons they have (sob!) their own bodies..."

47 posted on 07/19/2004 2:53:52 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: doug from upland
How can this hero who gave so much personally in defending freedom now so disgrace himself in the name of politics?

You do realize that his injuries, bad as the were, occurred in a non-combat accident, right? Many people assume that he was wounded in combat. He wasn't.

48 posted on 07/19/2004 2:54:28 PM PDT by Bob
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To: EllaMinnow

And once again the Clintoon puppet McAuliffe breaks it off in Kerry.

Thank you, Bill and Hillary, for backing the rented mule from Massachusetts into another corner from which there is no escape. I fully support your efforts to ensure a Kerry defeat in 2004. I suspect, though, that we may part company in 2008.


49 posted on 07/19/2004 2:54:38 PM PDT by HorsePlayer (Give me a $100 trifecta on Bush-Kerry-Nader)
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To: EllaMinnow
They are working for the convention. This is going to be an asylum. Everybody is going to be off their medications and back on the crack & meth. Sounds like a party to me.

Let these commies make idiots out of the thing. All they have to do is act normal. Then let the propagandists for them try to hide it.....the spin will be unbelievable. Don't believe your lying eyes, believe what we just said!

50 posted on 07/19/2004 2:54:44 PM PDT by timydnuc ("Give me Liberty, or give me death"!)
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