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Desperadoes (NYT on Ronstadt)
New York Times ^ | 7/21/04 | New York Times

Posted on 07/20/2004 9:43:45 PM PDT by conservative in nyc

Desperadoes


Published: July 21, 2004

Something went awry at the Aladdin Hotel in Las Vegas last Saturday night. Linda Ronstadt did what she has done at several concerts across the country this summer. She dedicated the song "Desperado"- an encore - to Michael Moore and urged members of the audience to go see his new movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11."

Elsewhere, audiences have reacted to the mention of Mr. Moore by cheering, booing, walking out and sometimes glaring at one another in parking lots. At the Aladdin, a few audience members tore down posters, threw drinks and demanded their money back. According to one person who was present - William Timmins, the Aladdin's president - it was "a very ugly scene." Mr. Timmins promptly made it even uglier. He had Ms. Ronstadt ejected from the premises.

This behavior assumes that Ms. Ronstadt had no right to express a political opinion from the stage. It implies - for some members of the audience at least - that there is a philosophical contract that says an artist must entertain an audience only in the ways that audience sees fit. It argues, in fact, that an artist like Ms. Ronstadt does not have the same rights as everyone else.

Perhaps her praise for Mr. Moore, even at the very end of her show, did ruin the performance for some people. They have a right to voice their disapproval - to express their opinion as Ms. Ronstadt expressed hers and to ask for a refund. But if their intemperate behavior began to worry the management, then they were the ones who should have been thrown out and told never to return, not Ms. Ronstadt, who threatened, after all, only to sing.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: fatboy; lindaisafatpig; michaelmoore; moore; ronstadt; slimes; spin
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Sorry, New York Slimes. Linda Ronstadt has absolutely no more of a right to express a political opinion from the Aladdin stage than I have the right to express my political opinion in your newspaper. If the owners of the Aladdin don't want her there, it's their right not to have her.
1 posted on 07/20/2004 9:43:45 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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This behavior assumes that Ms. Ronstadt had no right to express a political opinion from the stage.

It's not her stage. Of course I wouldn't expect a defense of property rights from the New York Times.

2 posted on 07/20/2004 9:46:54 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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Their lips are moving, but all I hear is "Waah Waaah Waaah"...


3 posted on 07/20/2004 9:46:54 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Q: What goes peck, peck, peck, boom? A: A chicken in a mine field.)
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To: conservative in nyc
This behavior assumes that Ms. Ronstadt had no right to express a political opinion from the stage

You upset owner you get booted, she got her wish she doesn't want to tour any more, she won't.

4 posted on 07/20/2004 9:47:22 PM PDT by dts32041 (Gen Karpinski A bullet, A Gun, a Room, her only honorable solution (MP Officer Not))
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What a worthless argument. I'm truly surprised they printed this. Let's see when they condemn the next left-wing protestors, hecklers etc. and demand the police remove them.


5 posted on 07/20/2004 9:48:18 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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Nothing more needs to be said than what you stated in # 1, and it's so patently obvious that it speaks of the intelligence level of the NYT subscribers who swallow such tripe.


6 posted on 07/20/2004 9:48:18 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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Did the Slimes do a similar sob story on behalf of Rush Limbaugh when he got fired from ESPN?


7 posted on 07/20/2004 9:49:08 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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This behavior assumes that Ms. Ronstadt had no right to express a political opinion from the stage.

When Timmin's evicted Linda Ronstadt, he was exercising a right that all business executives have: The right to refuse service to anyone.

8 posted on 07/20/2004 9:49:22 PM PDT by Vision Thing (Hate is not a family value, it's a liberal democrat value.)
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It implies - for some members of the audience at least - that there is a philosophical contract that says an artist must entertain an audience only in the ways that audience sees fit. It argues, in fact, that an artist like Ms. Ronstadt does not have the same rights as everyone else.

The audience has just as much a right to free speech as Tubby does --- liberals believe that leftist celebrities have free speech rights but the audience must sit there and listen because they're the little people.

9 posted on 07/20/2004 9:49:28 PM PDT by FITZ
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who threatened, after all, only to sing

Wrong, she didn't "only sing". That was the problem.

10 posted on 07/20/2004 9:50:21 PM PDT by kcvl
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This behavior assumes that Ms. Ronstadt had no right to express a political opinion from the stage.

If you're going to run around expressing obnoxious political opinions when they're not asked for, expected or desired you have to be prepared to take what follows. Sometimes you get a clap on the back, sometimes a punch in the nose and sometimes you get kicked out of the Aladdin Hotel and Casino.

She had the "right" to speak out and her audience had the right to express they disdain. Which they very nicely did!

11 posted on 07/20/2004 9:50:41 PM PDT by pgkdan
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Unfortunately, ronstadt is still working. On the night after her Aladdin disgrace, she performed in San Diego.


12 posted on 07/20/2004 9:51:14 PM PDT by Vision Thing (Hate is not a family value, it's a liberal democrat value.)
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These guys, just like the folks in Hollywierd, don't get it. Laura Ingrahm said it best "Shut Up and SIng"...No you don't have a right to take my money for an entertaining evening and then procedd to blast your politics at me. If you do , I will boo and hsout and I guarantee I will never by another product of yours again ever...Life's tough get a helmet


13 posted on 07/20/2004 9:52:01 PM PDT by jnarcus
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not Ms. Ronstadt, who threatened, after all, only to sing

She didn't only threaten to sing --- she got all pompous and figured she could lecture and politicize an event that was supposed to just be about her singing. The people are starting to rebel against the tyranny of the liberals.

14 posted on 07/20/2004 9:52:25 PM PDT by FITZ
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What better demonstration of a looney desperado philosophy of the Left than this trite editorial about some meaningless fracas by a has been carnie?!


15 posted on 07/20/2004 9:53:05 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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Job Description: The performer shall appear on time, be freshly bathed, perform her hit songs for one hour and 45 minutes, smile for the crowd, and be available for autographs for one hour after the performance.

Expressly prohibited: foul language, removing clothing, exposing breasts, mooning the crowd, eating donuts or pies while performing, and commenting on anything other than her music.

16 posted on 07/20/2004 9:53:28 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: Revolting cat!

ROFLOL!


17 posted on 07/20/2004 9:53:56 PM PDT by kcvl
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This behavior assumes that Ms. Ronstadt had no right to express a political opinion from the stage.

Joke! NYT has a right to express an opinion from the trash can or paper recycling bin.

18 posted on 07/20/2004 9:55:27 PM PDT by Tax Government
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"not Ms. Ronstadt, who threatened, after all, only to sing."


That is the stupidest part of the article. After saying she had a right to "express her opinion" the slimes then change it to she only came to sing. Which is it?

Typical democratic leftist logic. Jerk.


19 posted on 07/20/2004 9:55:51 PM PDT by JSteff
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No, no, no.. see, you don't understand: It's art!. You little people obviously don't understand that when you pay to be entertained by an artist, it is the artist that gets to provide for you the art that you need, no matter what you think you want! You don't have the right to offend people by calling weeks off school during December "Christmas Holiday", but, you see, Linda "I-thought-she-was-dead-must-have-just-been-her-career" Rondstadt has the right to offend you with her art!

Really, now, we plebians in flyover country just don't understand how the country is supposed to work!

(that wasn't too sarcastic, was it?)

20 posted on 07/20/2004 9:57:01 PM PDT by kyguy
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