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1 posted on 07/21/2004 5:25:22 AM PDT by OESY
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Amazing! Poeple dismiss this guy as being sloppy and careless, and yet he was the National Security Advisor under Clinton. This pic says it all.

National Security? What's that?

2 posted on 07/21/2004 5:31:26 AM PDT by petercooper (In the end, Democrats are just a bunch of jackasses.)
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This incident blows Watergate away.

Watergate and the subsequent coverup was a political crime that was described as a "3rd rate burglary".

The Berger Break-in was not performed by a bunch of GS-Nines, but by the National Security Adviser.

The target wasn't political information but national security information, classified Top f*ckin' Secret.

The tactics weren't covert, they were overt - in your face - I'm outta here with this stuff.

And now some of it has gone missing?

The early news is reporting there is backup. I hope so.
3 posted on 07/21/2004 5:38:03 AM PDT by Beckwith (Did Kerry commit murder in Viet Nam?)
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Thanks for posting this.


5 posted on 07/21/2004 5:44:48 AM PDT by syriacus (WJC escapes personal blame by blaming his demons. Will WJC agree to see an exorcist?)
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Berger's conduct is absolutely astounding. He should be indicted and prosecuted. And find out whose bidding he was doing!


6 posted on 07/21/2004 5:45:02 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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We're not interested in rehashing what the Clinton Administration or even Mr. Berger did or didn't do vis-a-vis the al Qaeda threat pre-9/11. Nor are we much interested about Mr. Berger's troubles with the law.

I am!

7 posted on 07/21/2004 6:21:40 AM PDT by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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Let's go a bit further and revive some classic conspiratorially inspired questions from the past.

1.) Did Berger "act alone?" Was he under orders to remove documents, or specific evidence?

2.) Who would benefit from the removal of this evidence?

3.) Was money involved, "hush" money paid to Berger, so that he might "take the fall?" This is not unprecedented, remember Web Hubble?

4.) Who has been feverishly trying to rewrite the history of the terrorist war against the US during the 90's?

5.) Isn't this just the latest of the Clinton Scandals?

9 posted on 07/21/2004 9:32:03 AM PDT by Richard Axtell
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I've posted this top a few other threads. Please ignore if you've seen it before ...

I called our local Clear Channel station the night after this story broke and spoke for about 10 minutes describing the procedures used to handle classified information. The following is a basic description of what I said ...

1) A person who wishes to review classified information at a given facility must have his/her clearance on file with the security office that has legal custody of the information.

2) Once they arrive to the facility, they must show their credentials to identify themselves, sign into the facility - maybe issued a badge indicating their clearance and access and escorted to the room where the material will be reviewed.

3) Once in the room, the container (probably a safe i.e. a very heavy duty file cabinet with heavy combination locks with different combinations on each drawer) is opened. This process should be logged by security personnel.

4) The documents are taken from the container. All classified documents are stamped (each page) with items such as a control number, date of creation, level of clearance (top and bottom), program name indicating what access is required and eventual dispensation (i.e. when the material is designated to destruction if applicable).

5) If the documents are classified "top secret", each document has a log on the cover sheet. EACH time a person has access to this information, they must sign and date it.

6) The material is not to be removed (ie stuffed in underwear, socks ... etc) without approval of security personnel. If this takes place, the transfer is documented on both ends of the transaction. If the material is top secret or above, it requires at least two cleared people as an escort.

7) If you travel overnight, the material is not to be kept in your hotel/motel room but instead must be taken to an approved facility. Arrangements are usually made in advance. Security people do not like suprise visits. They like to make them but not receive them.

8) No photocopies are to be made or notes copied without the proper security personnel logging this activity and making appropriate markings (mentioned above) on the documents.

9) This material is frequently audited by internal security agents and is subject to "suprise" audits conducted by military, FBI or other external security personnel.

10) People given access to this type of information are briefed and attend classes on how to handle this material - ie. no excuses for "honest mistakes".

11) As the NSA for the clinton administration, I imagine Berger was personally responsible that this protocol was designed, implemented and enforced by his staff - at least in an appropriately managed administration. This would apply to government employees, officials, military personnel and civilians under contract and extended clearances issued by the DoD, DoE or other intel operations.

12) As such, ANYBODY who has worked in this environment and heard Mr. Berger's comments yesterday about being "sloppy" and "an honest mistake" knows beyond any doubt that he was not only lying, but this was a premeditated act.

13) I left the aerospace business(as an engineer) in 1993 so these comments are based upon the security world of that time. Only Lord knows how the clinton adm changed things during his 8 years.

That summarizes what I mentioned to Steve Cannon of WTVN 610 AM (Columbus, Oh) last night.

The latest word I have heard from this morning is that this material was classified "Code Word Access". Folks, if true, this is "Above Top Secret" ie. John Pollard type material.

So the question comes to mind, why would anybody do such a thing under conditions where he knew he stood a huge chance of being caught? The mission must have been extraordinary for such a risk. The presumption is that he wanted to alter or remove and destroy material that implicated either himself, or quite possibly mr. clinton. The fact that some of the material is "lost" implies that regardless of the consequences, the mission has been accomplished with his current situation collateral damage.

Webb Hubbell's infamous quote "I guess I'll have to roll over again for Hillary" comes to mind. Another example of the clinton whirlwind leaving a trail of destruction in its wake.
13 posted on 07/21/2004 1:42:37 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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