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To: Dave Sangster
1) "Who are the antisemites then ?"

Newsflash : we are a country of 60 million inhabitants. Among this population there are active antisemites, exactly like in the USA, and as a matter of fact exactly like in every Western democracy. When Jewish graves were desecrated in New Zealand last week, I haven't seen too many posts implying the Kiwis were rabid antisemites, for example. And, exactly like in the USA, these people are a minority.

You also assume that the attacks have French citizens, from French descent, as the perpetrators, and with the complicity of the French authorities, who according to you more or less share the secret goal of destroying the Jews worldwide. So don't pull a "Michael Moore" on us and offer documented proof.

2) Massive involvement of French authorities in killing Jews

Man, the percentile of French Jews which survived the Occupation was around 60%, and it's more than many other occupied countries, like Belgium and Holland (where 40% survived). Funny you don't talk about Poland, where only 10% survived - but I guess it's classier to look the other way nowadays.

The Jewish defense organizations themselves said that these figures were a testimony to the vast numbers of French citizens who either hid, fed, helped escape or gave vital information to the persecuted Jews. So if I'm risible, I guess I'm in good company with these organizations. Please feel free to laugh at us.

3) Mitterrand

As for Mitterrand, I only said that he had some Resistance credential - which he has, regardless of what he did first. I did not like the man, and I did not like his Vichy past one little bit, even if he held a rather harmless post (French War Prisoners IIRC, but I may be wrong on that) but I'm honest enough not to attack his Resistance past.

4) The CRIF

Oh, so you're private to what the Jewish leaders in France REALLY think, even when they say other things in the media ? Wow, lucky you. Me, I'm just the average Joe, so excuse me if I'm not privy to insider information.

I can't argue with the CRIF quote, which basically amounts to : antisemitism is on the rise in France and it has escalated from verbal abuse to physical assault. Yes, it has, and that's why we have to take care of it urgently and vigorously, before it goes from physical assault to terror attacks. To me, an attack on a French Jew is an attack against every citizen. As for an attack against a foreign Jew, it would offend me even more.
16 posted on 07/23/2004 9:39:12 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Atlantic Friend

What's your opinion on the opinion piece from The Scotsman in #14?

Is it not the case that France has set herself up against 'perfidious Albion', including the upstart Americans and the 'impossible' Jews?


19 posted on 07/23/2004 10:10:53 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Atlantic Friend; SJackson; monkeyshine

France has a long and ugly history of anti-semitism. The climate for Jews in France has gotten increasingly bad in the past ten years and I suspect that, just as many attacks are not reported for fear of further incitement, some French Jews may be speaking out against Israel's public urging that they leave for fear of a more antagonistic social climate from the French public. Based on a recent stabbing attack on a yeshiva student during which the vermin attacker yelled "allah ackbar" it's not hard to see that the ever grown Muslim population in France is getting the upper hand.


21 posted on 07/23/2004 12:24:48 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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