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To: NonValueAdded
I'll concede that forbidding firearms on the property is a legitimate right of a business enterprise, assuming proper notice was provided.

Suppose the gov't passed laws that made it possible for AOL to buy up every other company in the US for pennies on the dollar. Then AOL could ban guns everywhere! And that would be fine for some folks.

Of course, it will never go to that degree, but all large companies are beneficiaries of corporate welfare to some degree. The gov't makes them "winners", while making small businesses and individuals "losers". It's in the tax code. It's in the civil rights laws. Etc....

So in a sense, gov't can enact their edicts through so-called "private" corporations. The corporations do what gov't wants (bans guns, recognizes same sex marriages, etc....) and the gov't gives them contracts or changes tax law to help them.

But I'm getting off track here. Individuals have unalienable Rights, which include the Right to own property (cars), bear arms, speak freely, etc.... No gov't or no authority has any power to infringe upon them. Individual Rights trump "corporate rights" every time.

113 posted on 07/23/2004 8:38:26 PM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: Mulder
Suppose the gov't passed laws that made it possible for AOL to buy up every other company in the US for pennies on the dollar. Then AOL could ban guns everywhere! And that would be fine for some folks.

You're assuming that some AOL executive dreamed this up as a personal preference. I have a strong feeling it was their insurance company, as in "You liability rates are going to be sky high unless you ban guns on company property"

The company I work for has a similar printed policy of no guns on company property, including parking lots. I strongly think the insurance industry is putting them up to it, in which case the proper target is the insurance company

202 posted on 07/24/2004 10:36:33 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: Mulder

Suppose the gov't passed laws that made it possible for AOL to buy up every other company in the US for pennies on the dollar. Then AOL could ban guns everywhere! And that would be fine for some folk



"privatization" of tiny and strategically selected sections of the interstate highway system would go a long way towards making your "Nightmare" scenario possible. I am surprised the New York Turnpike and the other turnpikes across the USA have not been working on it as we speak.

and in all likelihood this would be the WAY to get the guns out of vehicles, halt the people's ability to travel freely without fear, and arrest or impede the truckers who use a piece to sleep peacefully at night... and deliver our groceries.

taken to the extreme, as one other poster pointed out, the ONLY place your inalienable rights would be left MOSTLY unmolested, might be your OWN PROPERTY... IF, and ONLY IF, YOU did not owe any money on the place (the bank owns your land too you know). If and ONLY if you had a zoning board that was in favor of you retaining your rights.

This makes the bill of rights on it's face, ridiculous and an absurd waste of good toilet paper. This is what the "corporations are god" folks want, along with their "unenumerated corporate bill of rights." The right to control others... is at the root of this.


And ALL who espouse a desire to and defense of infringing of the "inalienable" are just as evil as the taliban who used religion to try and do the same thing.

The idea that business are exempt from recognizing individual rights, is ridiculous. As is the idea that ONLY the government must recognize those rights. Inalienable means NOBODY can separate you from the rights... and that those who would try are rightly considered criminals.

Can't be removed or "alientated" means just that.


222 posted on 07/24/2004 1:43:54 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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