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Andrew is merely upset that Bush tried to push through the new constitutional amendment defending marriage. Andrew, really, there are more important things in life than you wanting to get married to another man - this is blinding you to Kerry's deficiencies and exaggerating Bush's defects. Terrorists do not respect anything less than total resolve - and President Bush has that in abundance. You ought to be bloody ashamed.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 07/24/2004 4:32:44 PM PDT by MadIvan
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Andrew, really, there are more important things in life than you wanting to get married to another man ...

Selling out for sodomy.

69 posted on 07/24/2004 6:25:22 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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sullivam only cares about homosexual sex.

he is irrelevant


71 posted on 07/24/2004 6:34:01 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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What a completely moronic article. Conservatives (includes conservative Christians )Should vote for Kerry so we can be retrained? Sullivan is a one issue voter (gay marriage), he can't understand that the right to marry is only important if you are alive...not dead from some vicious terrorist attack.

Eight years of Clinton (typical Democrat national security policy) lead directly to 9-11. This is the first attack on American soil since Parl Harbor. Since 9-11, the Democrats have committed treason in order to be elected. They have stolen secret documents, lied, given aid and comfort to the enemy and tried to block President Bush's national security efforts constantly.

Democratic activist plan to tie up the police with their nonsense (visiting gun ranges etc so they set off alarms at security checkpoints) thus helping terrorists who want to kill us. The Democrats as a party (I used to one) have lost their minds and are a complete disgrace. Wake up and smell the coffee Andrew, Democrats are a national disgrace, and no thinking, responsible person would consider voting for any Democrat for any elected office-not even dog catcher. Dogs deserve better.... and so does America.


76 posted on 07/24/2004 6:41:06 PM PDT by nyconse
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This is a new low for Andrew. He's pushing a socialist and he knows it.


77 posted on 07/24/2004 6:42:09 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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Nothing matters as much to a queer as buggery. The whole world can go to hell, as long as he can satisfy his addiction. That's one thing that makes them different from normal people.


78 posted on 07/24/2004 6:44:25 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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Truly unbelievable. No one was more gun-ho to get into Iraq than Andrew. He accused Bush of dragging his feet and his impatience with Bush was palpable. Is his foolishness stemming from a hoping that his readers have limited retention skills or has he actually forgotten his previous musings? Sullivan's uncontrolled vacillating between these two candidates must be giving him mental whiplash.

A man who is a pro-abortion (in all cases) supporter, UN worshiping, affirmative action loving, tax raising, gun controller, kowtower to Europe, with the ability to appoint the most liberal supreme court justices in the history of the republic, my dream candidate? Not in this lifetime.

82 posted on 07/24/2004 7:16:36 PM PDT by CaptainK
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As a conservative, I will not vote for nor support a Communist sympathizer. Bush has my vote, unless someone from the Constitution party gets on the ballot in Oklahoma.
84 posted on 07/24/2004 7:26:36 PM PDT by Chewbacca (Michael Moore is a filthy piece of distended rectum.)
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Andrew is merely upset that Bush tried to push through the new constitutional amendment defending marriage.

Absolutely true. Though its slightly deeper than that.

Andrew has never been a terribly conservative fellow in the first place. But he likes the image, so he's been trying his d*mnedest to redefine the word to suit his personal preferences. Witness his unintentionally hillarious effort at making the "conservative case for gay marriage."

Andrew is at best a fellow traveller with conservatives around basic fiscal issues and the War on Terror. He's a libertine on social issues, at least the extent of his personal wanton desires. And he has a history of trying to play both sides against the middle to best position his personal agenda - the largest item of which is homosexual advocacy.

When reading Sullivan, one must never forget that he's willing to bend any position for the sake of achieving homosexual political goals. Much like when reading Christopher Hitchens, one must never forget that his addiction to iconoclasm.

86 posted on 07/24/2004 7:34:47 PM PDT by Snuffington
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Sullivan's article is so easy to demolish on a logical and factual basis - it makes me wonder whom he thinks he is addressing.


87 posted on 07/24/2004 7:53:58 PM PDT by DianeDePoitiers
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At home we need to restrain the unruly religious right.

Everything before and after this phrase is cosmetic. He wants to be able to marry another man, and that is the most important thing to him. He thinks we can't see that, but -perhaps to his credit, or not- he's not that nuanced.

88 posted on 07/24/2004 8:20:08 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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Almost overnight after 9/11 Bush junked decades of American policy in the Middle East,

Well, since those decades of policy hadn't improved things, I guess the President realized it was time to try something new!

91 posted on 07/24/2004 8:32:47 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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hey Andrew - I respect your thoughts, but I also have to tell you that you want to re-write God's laws, and that - you are not only misguided, but also illminded. Being gay is a mindset - not a birthdefect! Being active in a gay lifestyle is not only wrong, but also a SIN. It is wrong, because you guys carry a high rate of Aids infection - again, that is why God says it is a Sin, and wrong. It must not be tolerated by anyone in any society, and I can only hope that you have enough respect for our desires as well. Go, and find an island - there you can do whatever you like to do!


93 posted on 07/24/2004 8:59:14 PM PDT by Inge C
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Start with the war. Almost overnight after 9/11 Bush junked decades of American policy in the Middle East

Yes, Andrew, that policy was just SO EFFECTIVE, now wasn't it? What a dope.

94 posted on 07/24/2004 9:10:13 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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He has little or no concern for the separation of church and state, funnelling public money to religious charities

Bush respects the First Amendment on religion which is why he DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE among groups who may receive such funds. Sullivan shows his ignorance, falsely believing that the Founders intended a SEPARATION, when they intended only to prohibit a PREFERENCE for one over another---a "Church of the United States". I really thought he was smarter than to fall into the Ralph Neas/Lawrence Tribe school of Constitution Studies.

95 posted on 07/24/2004 9:14:22 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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The AIDS is going to Andrew's brain. It's very sad.


97 posted on 07/24/2004 9:19:15 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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"Was it really necessary to insist that the Geneva conventions do not apply to detainees in the war on terror?"

Yes, and it still is. Terrorists have no legal rights under the Geneva convention.


99 posted on 07/24/2004 9:25:40 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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Andrew is merely upset that Bush tried to push through the new constitutional amendment defending marriage.

Baddabing baddaboom--Ivan shoots it between the eyes.

Bush has the protofascist neoreligious snake-handling obstinant refusal to cast the sacrament of marriage into the bathhouse gutter.

How insightful can the political commentary be of one who insists on keeping his head up his backside?

Spit it out there, Andy--Bush won't let you marry Bruce--that's the sum and substance of your purseswing hissy-fit vapors.


Not that there's anything wrong with that.

101 posted on 07/24/2004 9:31:27 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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We could see this one coming, couldn't we?


102 posted on 07/24/2004 9:32:35 PM PDT by michaelt
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This is shameful, and frankly a bunch of nonsense.
105 posted on 07/24/2004 10:05:07 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about?)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - As if Andrew Sullivan would say anything else. Note the "Barf til you Die" Alert on the top.

Disclaimer - I didn't read most of the above article. I'll try now. It's so hot, I really don't want to barf.

What I wonder is why anyone who isn't a flaming liberal pays any attention to Sullivan anyway.

let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


106 posted on 07/24/2004 10:14:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (The Islamic Jihad and the Homosexual Jihad both want to destroy us.)
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