FOX & FOES

New York Post ^ | July 25, 2004

[randog]

When compared to the Left, sure, the middle sure looks like it's from the right.

That's the problem with the left. To them they're the middle of the road, the Average American. They have no clue who the average American is, and probably don't really want to know.

[John123]

Your premise is faulty.

Actually, I think yours is...

I have watched "Bill O'Reilly" and "Hannity and Colmes" for years. The show is pretty darn fair to both parties. The only time it is one sided is usually when a liberal refuses to come onto the show to defend their position. This is not Fox's fault. Bill usually calls it, "Hiding behind their desks."

I have never listened to NPR but since you pegged Fox wrong, everything else you say has to be taken with a grain of salt.

BTW, are you a troll? You sure do sound like one.

[marty60]

Yes, and with all commie /fascist/socialist/evil dums......FOX MUST BE SILENCED.

they have been talking about media being a target of Heinz-Kerry's SS Storm Troopers. Anyone taking bets that ONLY FOX is the target.

[marty60]

What's the matter can take the heat. i remember when the libs would invite Rush on a panel and he was the ONLY conser. The rest were flaming fascist evil dums. Paybacks a Bitch!!!!!!!

[norwaypinesavage]

"When NPR, for instance, has guests on they will split it..."

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[Malesherbes]

Who told you Sadaam had no refining capability? Have you been having tea with Joseph Wilson?

[wyattearp]

Uh, dude, Saddam had already bought yellow-cake uranium from other sources. It's not unreasonable that he would try to purchase it from Nigeria as well. We found yellow-cake uranium in Iraq. Of course, the leftstream media either refused to report it or buried it on page M24, so I'm not surprised that you've never heard of it.

[mtnwmn]

I'm afraid your "simple common sense" logic has been disputed by both Fox News and the main-streamers including the 9/11 Commission. Try again.

[Dog Gone]

Actually, a centrifuge was found at the home of one of his nuclear scientists after the war, so following your simple logic, you're either ignorant or lying.

[pete anderson]

What really bothers me and I just cannot figure out is why in the heck are CNN's Advertising Rates so much higher than Fox News.

It would seem like more viewers would mean more money on Madison Ave. but from what I have read that is simply not the case.

[beyond the sea]

Quite a strange question.

Here have this for your optimism (and mine)!

GWB: HBS MBA ----

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1070924/posts

One final note on George W. Bush’s management style and his Harvard Business School background does not derive from the classroom, per se. One feature of life there is that a subculture of poker players exists. Poker is a natural fit with the inclinations, talents, and skills of many future entrepreneurs. A close reading of the odds, combined with the ability to out-psych the opposition, leads to capital accumulation in many fields, aside from the poker table.

By reputation, the President was a very avid and skillful poker player when he was an MBA student. One of the secrets of a successful poker player is to encourage your opponent to bet a lot of chips on a losing hand. This is a pattern of behavior one sees repeatedly in George W. Bush’s political career. He is not one to loudly proclaim his strengths at the beginning of a campaign. Instead, he bides his time, does not respond forcefully, a least at first, to critiques from his enemies, no matter how loud and annoying they get. If anything, this apparent passivity only goads them into making their case more emphatically.

Only time will tell, whether Saddam ever had any WMDs. Their non-existence has not been proven. Only time will tell whether or not Osama bin Laden (or his corpse) will be taken into custody by American Troops. Only time will tell whether or not Iraq will continue to make progress toward a transition toward a peaceful democratic government. George W. Bush knows much more information about these topics than his domestic political opponents do. At the moment, they are betting a lot of their chips on one side of these questions.

We will see by November who has the winning hand.

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Now, LIGHTEN UP!

[Mike4Freedom]

Didn't the Israeli's bomb Saddam's nuclear gacility? He DID have one, didn't he?

Sure, in 1984. Not since then. Just like he did have chemical weapons in 1988 after we gave them to him. But not since at least 1993.

Neither of these facts justified a war in 2003.

[ebiskit]

"Actually, FOX is just as biased as the mainstream media."

Only through your rose colored spectacles. Fox ALWAYS states plainly when there is an opinion being stated. When the opinion is being given, it is usually with 'both sides' making their respective arguments. The news part of Fox is down the middle. Never have I seen rather, brokaw, or jennings plainly state when they are giving commentary based on a news story. They put it out there as God's honest truth from on high because we are the dumbmasses. O'Reilly tells you when he is giving his opinion. The big three guys pass themselves off as neutral journalists. They are not. People got tired of being talked down to and 'given' their opinion. I agree with you about getting your news from more then one source. I don't want any idiot voting if they get all their info from one source.

"Example:Did Saddam try to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger? The story is so confused now that I would not blame you for throwing up your hands in disgust."

Yes he did. The story is not that confusing if dig a little, like you espouse. Most importantly however, you have to have an open mind to the FACTS to begin with. If not, you can not intellectually grow. The history of Yellowcake is long one. If you read the following items, I think it will illuminate the FACTS for you.

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Read the 9/11 report.
Read the House of Common's Lord Butler report
http://www.netwmd.com/articles/article626.html

Yellowcake: Joe Wilson Skating on Thin Ice
By Andrew L. Jaffee, July 14, 2004


Remember President Bush’s State of the Union Address in 2003? During his speech, Bush spoke of Iraqi attempts to buy uranium oxide -- now infamously known as “yellowcake” -- from Niger. The President’s assertion about a Nigerian uranium connection was attributed to British, not American, intelligence.

Now, do you remember Joseph C. Wilson IV, the one-time CIA operative in Niger? He told the Washington Post that President Bush ignored his warning that it was “highly unlikely” that Iraq tried to buy yellowcake from Niger. Even though Wilson claims to be a “political centrist,” after the President’s speech he accused the White House of “misrepresenting the facts” while asking, “What else are they [the Bush team] lying about.” Official American, British, and French reports now seem to show that Wilson was the one lying.

The Senate intelligence committee report on pre-war Iraq intelligence concluded last week that “Wilson provided misleading information to the Washington Post last June.”

An independent committee of the British parliament found in September 2003 that the Iraqi/Nigerian yellowcake connection was “reasonable.”

Lord Butler’s report, delivered today to the UK’s House of Commons, found that evidence uncovered by British Intelligence of Iraqi attempts to procure uranium from Niger was credible and based on “several different sources.”

French intelligence has also given account of Iraqi attempts to buy Nigerian yellowcake. But that’s not all the evidence now piled up against Wilson.

In the last week, both the Financial Times and Washington Post have published information that contradicts Wilson. He himself admits to spending a mere 8 days in Niger during his “investigation.” Wilson only provided a verbal report to the CIA; he never wrote down any of his findings for formal presentation. According to townhall.com,

CIA officials did not regard Wilson's intelligence as definitive, being based primarily on what the Niger officials told him and probably would have claimed under any circumstances.

Sounds to me like the President’s infamous “16 words” about yellowcake are credible and that poor ol’ Joe Wilson was trying to pump up the sales of his book. The left-wing has embraced Wilson -- he says what they want to hear. But he’s been lying all along.

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"But the final answer comes from the question-What would he do with it?"

Detonate a few thermo-nuuklur devices in some of my favorite cities. El W connected the dots. Saddam sent his capability to Syria and elsewhere.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/892505/posts

"He had no refining capability so it was useless to him."

We just transported about 1.7 tons of radioactive materials out of Iraq from Iraq's Al Tuwaitha nuclear complex.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/07/1089000201764.html?oneclick=true
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1167009/posts

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83821,00.html
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0307/S00044.htm

The last link posted is a press release from GreenPeace no less, not necessarily your right-wight nut-cases. Wouldn't you agree?

Do the truth and yourself a favor, stay away from MoveOn.org and begin on the road to mental freedom right here on FreeRepublic.com and by listening to Neal Boortz. He'll give you the straight dawg squeeze. In addition, make sure you always visit the underlying link on the FR news stories. Do that for all the community/commentary sites you visit. It's important for mental confirmation IMO. Unfortunately, the left is like a 4 year covering his ears, shaking his head and yelling when his mother is telling him to eat his brussell sprouts. D@mn those things taste like crap, kinda like the truth sometimes, especially when you don't agree with it. Want some Yellowcake for dessert?

peace...D

[Mike4Freedom]

Can you actually call offering both sides a *bias*?

They make a show of giving both sides of a dispute a voice on some entertainment shows and those are fun to watch. The bias is buried in the same way that the liberal media buries their bias, in what they choose to report. Some stories "have no legs". I also am disturbed on how much time they spend on crime stories. I really do not care about Scott Peterson or Kobe Bryant. They just take the public's mind off the important stuff.

[Dog Gone]

I don't have an explanation for that. Maybe some of it is because CNN is still more widely available than FNC. I am pleasantly surprised to ever discover Fox News on the channel lineup at a hotel.

I'm going on a business trip tomorrow, and unless something has changed since the last time I visited that city, I'll be watching the Dem convention on CNN.

[Mike4Freedom]

Actually, a centrifuge was found at the home of one of his nuclear scientists after the war, so following your simple logic, you're either ignorant or lying.

As I remember that story, a key part of a dismantled centrifuge was found in someone's home. I guess he took home a momento of his glory days. That sure isn't a reason for a war.

[Republic]

HUH?

Guess you missed the story of the N Korean intercept sent to Syria regarding the Iraqi nuclear scientists working there, sent there by saddam, supplied with money FROM saddam, and materials from N Korea....remember this intercept-if you did read it-that the N Korean's were panicked that the take down of Saddam would cause a cut off of money and the N Koreans were worried about who would FUND the projects? Seems yellow cake would have been a VERY DESIREABLE component for these scientists, no?

More is yet to come Mike-don't assume you have been lied to by this administration, not for one second.

And as for your tagline, do you limit it to America, or does the freeing of 25 million Iraqis and how many million Afgans (?) fit into your opinion regarding freedom, as well?

[Humbug]

I kept waiting to see a [/sarcasm] tag since what you were griping about is exactly what conservatives have been complaining about for centuries (or at least a lot of years) in regards to CNN and to the Sunday morning talk shows - where they'd usually have a panel of 3 feisty liberals going up against 1 mild-mannered conservative. I can remember back in those dreary, dark days when i'd watch CNN all the time that they had a show called Capital Gang where basically it became the Beat-Up-On-Novak Gang. Not that it didn't have a semblance of balance, for they'd typically have another conservative sitting opposite Novak, but the two liberals (Shields & Hunt, who both incidentally sat closest to the camera, which gave the appearance that they were both co-hosting the program) would constantly go after Novak and would constantly always get the last word in since Shields was the host and a vicious one at that.

Frankly i doubt you watch FoxNews much. I have seen none of that which you spoke of there. In fact, i see them bending over backward to make sure they both sides are represented. The only time where conservatives would make up a plurality on a panel is when they are taking about something pertaining specifically about conservatives, such as the impact Reagan had on the conservative movement or something of that nature. But they do that too for liberals - for instance, O'Reilly might have a segment with 2 or more democrat/liberal guests on to talk about what Edwards would mean to the ticket or to talk about what direction they think Kerry should go in order to attract independents.

The one thing i would concede is that the hosts by and large are right leaning but that is no different than other cable news channels except with them you have by and large left leaning hosts (CNN with Judy Woodruff, married to Hunt by the way, Larry King, Aaron Brown [if he is still there], Wolf Blitzer, etc.).

[sc2_ct]

I cant help it, I am a HUGE O'Rielly fan, I dont agree with him 100%, but you have to admit, he gets to the point, and dont takes any crud from anyone he speaks with... and he can laugh at himself, which I think makes him quite human.

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I find myself in disagreement with him as often as I find myself agreeing with him, but still I have to respect the man. Whether he agrees with me or not is a secondary concern, it is his ability to think for himself, make his own determination and speak his mind that is impressive.