FOX & FOES

New York Post ^ | July 25, 2004

[cyncooper]

Example:Did Saddam try to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger? The story is so confused now that I would not blame you for throwing up your hands in disgust. But the final answer comes from the question-What would he do with it? He had no refining capability so it was useless to him. Thus no Niger uranium purchase or attempted purchase. Since this simple logic would have been obvious to the administration, we conclude that they lied to get the congressional authorization.

Looks like you're the liar here.

The problem with liberal reporting is it is presented as you have presented your flawed opinion here. You are wrong on the facts, yet you proceed to spin out a conclusion that by its very basis on the flawed premise is wrong.

And then you have the nerve to act as if your wrongness is superior to truth!

LOL

[FreedomPoster]

>>Actually, FOX is just as biased as the mainstream media.

I just watched Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday with a commentary panel that included Brit Hume, another conservative, with Juan Williams and Mara Liason as the liberals.

Show me a lamestream media show that gives that much balance to conservative viewpoints.

[arasina]

I really do not care about Scott Peterson or Kobe Bryant. They just take the public's mind off the important stuff.

I worked in the newsroom of a network affiliate for 21 years, so I know how television stations operate. FNC is on a 24/7 news cycle. FNC is a business and must make money. Scott Peterson and Kobe Bryant are, unfortunately, part of today's NEWS. FNC has viewers who want more than just politics. They couldn't sell commercial time without offering their viewers a wide spectrum of news. If they don't provide their customers with the product they desire, they won't sell ad time and their business will fail. That's just how it is in a capitalistic society.

Perhaps you could spend another $55 and start a 24/7 political news channel and then whine when your competitor beats the pants off you and gets more than 19% of the viewing households.

[Dog Gone]

There wasn't a country in the world, except Iraq, that disputed the contention that Saddam had WMD. Not even the French. And there was no dispute that he hadn't accounted for all the ones he had previously admitted having.

It's easy to say that there was no reason to go to war after the fact. But there's a reason why our troops were wearing biochem suits in the hot Iraqi desert. We expected to need them.

There was plenty of reason to go to war. The underlying information for one of those reasons may have been faulty, although that's yet to be conclusively determined.

[hobson]

Your screen name is incongruous with your postion. Perhaps you need a new one.

[Gunrunner2]

>>Actually, FOX is just as biased as the mainstream media.<<

I disagree.

Fox News is more to the center than any other news source. Consider, after being fed left-wing news your entire life, no balance, no critical analysis of left-wing spin, ANY news source that is more centrist would appear to be right-wing. Your impression would be, "My gawd, they are right-wing," when in fact they would be middle, not right.

>>It is just that their bias fits yours so you like them.<<

Their attempt to present all sides and not allow the usual leftist spin go unanswered or unchallenged is why I like them.

>>If you want to know what is really going on, you have to read multiple sources and compare them<<

Agreed.

[Republican Red]

Welcome to FR

I am in Atlanta and I didn't get Fox until November 2000. I kept hearing Neal Boortz talk about Hannity (a once local talk show host himself) on the Fox channel. I kept turning to the local Fox affiliate but couldn't find anything. When we finally got the channel it was like a new world opened up.

I remember when I went to the dentist during the 2000 election fiasco and my new dental hygienist whispered in my ear "I watch Fox News". I knew from the beginning that it was code for I am Republican.

[Edit35]

Actually, FOX is just as biased as the mainstream media.

You could not be more wrong.

However that said .... sometimes Fox does get on my nerves because they do follow ups on already biased news stories released previously by the ABC, CBS, CNN, etc. --- stories that should never have been released in the first place.

On the other hand, many claim FoxNews is biased simply because they also present the conservative (read Republican) side of the news as compared to all the others, which slants every story, and I mean EVERY STORY, to make President Bush and the GOP look as awful as possible.

[Chgogal]

You obviously haven't been reading "all" unbiased sources, otherwise you would know the answer. Yes, Saddam attempted to purchase yellow cake. Yes, there was 1.8 tons of uranium secretly taken out of Iraq about two weeks age. Yes, Libya had WMD, and WMD ties to N. Korea, Iran, Pakistan and Iraq. The Iraq endeavor brought this “partnership” to light. Again none of this was reported on ABCBSCNBCNNetc. or in the NYT. This in itself is unbelievable. It is poor reporting by all concerned. They should be ashamed of themselves, but they are too brainwashed to even notice. More importantly it is dangerous to keep such information from a majority of the population during a time of crises or war.

Regarding the centrifuge, it was buried beneath the scientist's rose bush. That is the Democrats' and MSMs' national security position. Centrifuges should be used as rose bush fertilizer. Peace not War donncha know. :-)

[jsbankston]

Accordeing to FAIR a Leftist organization this is why CNN's Ad rates are so much higher than FNC's.

One media buyer we interviewed analyzed the contrast between Fox and CNN in terms of programming and viewing habits, telling Extra!: "CNN is like news radio where people drop in for the news; Fox is like talk radio, where they stay longer for the opinion shows."

An ad executive interviewed in Media Week last year (2/10/03) suggested that snob appeal was part of CNN's edge in the race for ad dollars: "There are two kinds of news advertisers. If you're talking cold remedies, you're buying eyeballs. Others are looking for an environment, an image. They're looking to reach decision-makers and influencers who watch news. If you're an image-oriented product--a BMW, Mercedes, Lexus--it's not even a question, you go with CNN. There's no comparison in the quality of the journalism--CNN is light years ahead in objectivity and reporting--and I don't think Fox's 'New York Post on TV' approach appeals to the most desirable consumers."

http://www.fair.org/extra/0404/fox-ratings.html

[RightWingAtheist]

Truly sad. I revered Ebert's writings for years, but ever since Bush won the election, he has gone completely insane, and been totally consumed by hatred of Bush and all things Republican.

[Peach]

When FNC is reporting the straight news, not their commentary shows like Hannity and Colmes, I find their news is VERY straightforward.

Neal Boortz has had an outstanding offer of anyone who can show bias on FNC during their straight news and thus far, no one has been able to show any bias.

Do you care to cite some bias by FNC or are you just spinning?

[Dark Knight]

He has to be spinning. The centrifuge was hidden as part of a program. The anthrax in a scientist's home was part of a program. The scientist that cooperated with the Weapon's inspectors had his head cut off, as part of a program. The Kay report outlining a number of prohibited activities outlined the programs.

M4F does not read stuff he does not already agree with.

DK

[Peach]

I agree and unfortunately people on the left don't know the real facts and the spinning has been allowed to go on for so long that it's become part of their oxygen.

Hopefully after the convention the GOP will tear the leftists apart.

[del griffith]

I remember about this time last year, there was this "just wait til fall, because David Kay will be making his report and it will be positive for the administration with regard to WMD". Well fall came as did the report.

Yet we are still waiting for the smoking gun

[3catsanadog]

Yes, there was 1.8 tons of uranium secretly taken out of Iraq about two weeks age.

Wow, I didn't know about this. I don't even recall hearing about it on Fox (which is always on in the background as I do other things).

[Dark Knight]

Did you read the Kay report? It was a smoking gun.

It was not reported as one.

If you read just the first page of this and still hold your view, come back!

http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html

DK

[teeman8r]

mike4freedom's tagline is also suspect, because no one can grant freedom... they can espouse to take one's freedom and one can choose to be enslaved, but no one can grant one freedom, if that is done the free aren't truly free.

man is born free, governments strive to imprison, men remain free through eternal vigilance.

teeman

fox news rules!

[thoughtomator]

Conservatives are merely one of two huge markets that "mainstream" (aka hardcore left) media have ignored completely. The other market is those of us who want serious, non-sensationalist reporting with a pro-US, big-picture perspective. FOX isn't serving that market either, not with the saturation coverage of Kobe Bryant, Scott Peterson, and Michael Jackson, among other trivialities.

Take Brit Hume and John Kasich and start a serious news channel, and it would do at least as well as FOX.

[SevenofNine]

CNN YOU SO OVER GET NEW Reporters just shut down

Ray if I was major stockholder at CNN or MSNBC I be throw some serious f-bomb at big bosses

YO TED FONDA how come your guys have rerun of Larry King on Sunday night when breaking news happen on FOX news what upw with that