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To: Terp
I guess this article was clear that Wagner was black and I didn't need to add that.

The first articles I read about this left me with the impression that he was a "lily white".

14 posted on 07/29/2004 2:44:12 AM PDT by Free Trapper (ALF & ELF - Future Bog People)
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To: Free Trapper

I knew he was American. I only asked because another poster seemed to be getting off track and started talking about the open border issue and not the fact this is another home grown terrorist who's converted to the religion of love. Personally I think the fact that Islam has taken hold in America is more of a danger than any open border! The enemy is now within and have U.S. Passports.


15 posted on 07/29/2004 2:55:01 AM PDT by Terp (Retired living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: Free Trapper
Radical Islam is a culture of death.

Say it loud, say it often, and say it with authority.

Say it with the knowledge that it is true and that too few people understand this simple fact.

But don't let me tell you.

Read it in their own words right here: Culture of Death article.

Here's an excerpt:

...

Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri said in an interview; "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom. There is a great difference between he who loves the hereafter and he who loves this world. The Muslim loves death and strives for martyrdom."

Hezbollah's Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah revealed in an interview after the recent prisoner swap between Israel and his group: "We have discovered how to hit the Jews where they are the most vulnerable. The Jews love life, so that is what we shall take away from them. We are going to win, because they love life and we love death."

Tunisian intellectual Al-Afif Al-Akhdar says; "Why do expressions of tolerance, moderation, rationalism, compromise, and negotiation horrify us Muslims, but when we hear fervent cries for vengeance, we all dance the war dance? Why do other people love life, while we love death and violence, slaughter and suicide, and even call it heroism and martyrdom?"

The love of death is, to the Western mind, the most incomprehensible thing about our enemy.

The president made reference to the concept in a recent speech in which he said: "On a tape claiming responsibility for the atrocities in Madrid, a man is heard to say, 'We choose death, while you choose life.'... It is a mindset that rejoices in suicide, incites murder, and celebrates every death we mourn. And we who stand on the other side of the line must be equally clear and certain of our convictions."

President Bush summarized what it will take to defeat an enemy who loves death, even if it fell on mainly deaf ears. "We who stand on the other side of the line must be equally clear and certain of our convictions."

...

Well, Freepers, are YOU clear?

If so, make the case to all you know. The lives of you and your loved ones DEPEND on it.

18 posted on 07/29/2004 3:09:39 AM PDT by Stallone (Make love not war! ~ Lynndie England)
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To: Free Trapper
impression that he was a "lily white".

A "lily white" is not a white person, but a person who has no record or ties to a particular terrorist org. Timothy McVeigh, for example, would have been a "lily white" not because he was white, but because he had no known ties to AQ. Hence, it would have been easier for him to carry out the plan, and AQ would not have been suspected in the aftermath.

They are apparently trying to recruit people of all colors without connections to AQ or even to Islam to carry out their activitiies. However, they haven't had much luck, it seems - this guy was clearly a Muslim and was cast in the DC Sniper/Portland 7 mold, and it's no surprise that he (and the woman travelling with him, another Black Muslim, whose last name was Maguire) was planning something like this.

I hope they're watching the "Nation of Islam" (Black Muslims) very carefully, but I doubt that it's possible without having Jesse show up and scream about racism.

19 posted on 07/29/2004 4:37:50 AM PDT by livius
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