Please help

Hildy

[jigsaw]

The line I've found very effective is something like, "Kerry will raise your taxes. If you vote for him, it's literally going to cost you money. When you pull that lever for him, you're giving away your money. It'll cost you to vote."

Then, after mentioning that Kerry has said he's going to increase capital gains, I ask if they have money in the stock market, such as retirement money. When they say yes (as most do), they are shocked to realize Kerry's going to take some of their money there also.

Hence, they realize that voting for Kerry is directly against their financial interests.

I've lost count of the number of mis-led people I've quickly flipped with this simple argument.

[timestax]

Tell them "You may think Bush is dumb..he's dumb as a fox!"

[jslade]

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[jslade]

When they start in on you, just calmly say to them, "John Kerry has been in the US Senate for 20 years. Before you continue with what you are saying, list for me his legislative and leadership accomplishments during his 20 years in the Senate."

This is good. But, it can be even simpler. When someone says to me, "I'm going to vote for John Kerry". I just ask them "why?". Haven't got an answer yet. You see, there is no reason to vote for sKerry.

[I still care]

LOL. I'm really poor at the moment (I've had some really bad life reverses, disabled, etc). When I run into a Kerry supporter, I love to yank their chain by saying, "Oh, he's such a liar, totally unfit to be president - but I hope he wins! He's going to tax everyone and give me all their money! And I'll get free health care, and I won't pay for it!"

This can go on for a long time. Sometimes they agree, but after a while they start to get really uncomfortable when they realize I'm talking about THEIR money. It can get really funny. Of course, people who know me well realize fast I'm not quite so shallow, but a total stranger you can keep going for quite a while.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Just answer their ludicrous statements with questions like:

"By that you mean...?"
"Can you give an example of that?"
"When did this happen exactly?"
"Where was that documented?"

[EggsAckley]

Hildy,
One of the most recent Dem whining points (thanks to ronny reagan the ballerina) is that W "outlawed, banned" stem cell research. This is simply NOT true. His motive was to keep federal funding from subsidizing it, not to outlaw/ban it. It's perfectly legal for private funding to support it.

[Phantom Lord]

On top of that, Bush authorized Federal Funding for existing lines of stem cells.

[Hildy]

I know, it's incredible. Makes you just want to scream, doesn't it?

[EggsAckley]

Oh, and don't forget to tell them to NOT listen to Howard Dean. Bush is NOT, repeat NOT burning books.


LOL!

[CyberAnt]

Yes, I have it in Word .. FReepmail me your email address and I'll send it to you.

[goodnesswins]

LOL.....that's what I do with the younger "set" in a way....I tell them to vote DEM.....because I WANT THEM TO SUPPORT MY RETIREMENT....my new 5th wheel trailer and pick-up we want, our Social Security, health care etc......they usually get the message.

[CyberAnt]

I don't argue. But I do have ready responses to their stupid, illogical statements.

They can believe what they want, but I refuse to be cowered by these "intellectually dishonest people".

[itsamelman]

The dims lied to me about Iraq, Saddam, and WMD's...

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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has . . . chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that . . . Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of an elicit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons . . . ." Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-if necessary-to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . . . . We also should remember that we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do." Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members . . . . It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation . . . . And, now. he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction . . . . So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real . . . ." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

[I still care]

If they bring up Michael Moore, I say, "Yes, he thinks everyone should be paying at least 70% of their income to the IRS (I never say government) because people like me need their programs. You know, they are going to pay for my welfare - after all, I can't work like this. I just have to sit on the sofa all day and watch TV".

It never fails to get a rise.

[timestax]

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