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Mistaken identity [Most sex-change surgery leads to depression ... Duh!]
The Guardian [UK] ^ | July 31, 2004 | by David Batty

Posted on 07/31/2004 7:08:01 AM PDT by aculeus

Two months ago, Marissa Dainton changed sex for the third time in 11 years. She started life as Mark Dainton in 1967. In 1992, a year before her first sex change operation, she took the name Patricia Vincent. Four years later, Patricia decided to go back to living as Mark. Now she has become a woman again. Sitting in the lounge of the small terrace house she shares with her wife, her eyes stray to the wedding photo on the mantelpiece. "What happened to me should be a lesson in the need to make sure you're really ready before changing gender," she says.

Once Dainton had a penis, then a vagina, now she has nothing. Soon after her first sex change, she joined an evangelical church and became convinced her operation was sinful. She stopped taking oestrogen and was prescribed testosterone. Her beard and body hair began to grow back, and her sex drive soared. Before getting married to another member of the congregation six years ago, she had her artificial vagina removed. This left her with smooth skin where her genitals once were.

"My wife said she'd feel more comfortable about having a physical relationship if I didn't have a vagina. You'd have thought I'd have realised it was a mistake because I wasn't bothered about not being a 'complete man'. I never missed what was taken away," she says, smiling sardonically.

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TOPICS: Extended News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: depression; disorders; genderiddisorder; genderiddisorders; mentalhealth
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To: aculeus

Talk about depression! I guess so!!

My goodness, the Drs. ought to have their licenses revolked!!!!

Just think about the parents.....
He's a he...........no wait.......it's a she
.........oh no..........it's a he...............
Oh my, what does it look like to you, honey?


21 posted on 07/31/2004 7:56:13 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: Trickyguy
Soon after her first sex change....

Gotta admit: that decision "took real balls"

22 posted on 07/31/2004 8:21:10 AM PDT by AlBondigas
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To: aculeus
The controversy has led some medics and transsexuals to question whether it is appropriate for people confused about their gender identity to undergo an irreversible operation.

Well duh.

If you hated your arm and wanted to cut it off you would be treated as having a psychological disorder. You would not be treated by having a surgeon cut off your arm.

23 posted on 07/31/2004 8:24:59 AM PDT by kennedy
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To: jocon307

Yes, these poor, poor people really do suffer terribly. If you read the article the jokes die on your lips. This is madness and these people have been permitted to thoroughly destroy their lives. How wretched they must be. But society tells them this is permissible and society pays for these surgical atrocities. (Let's not forget that last bit: these procedures are horrendously expensive and I'm sure none of these fundamentally unsuccessful people are footing the bill themselves.)


24 posted on 07/31/2004 8:26:47 AM PDT by Capriole (DO NOT WRITE IN THIS SPACE. FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.)
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To: Larry Lucido

"I can't see ..I can't see"


25 posted on 07/31/2004 8:27:08 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: aculeus
Leads to depression? I'll go out on a limb and say that these freaks were depressed before their self-imposed mutiliations.
27 posted on 07/31/2004 8:31:37 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: aculeus
"I'm not a woman, I'm a thing - a chimera. As I move into my middle years, I'm genuinely worried that I just don't fit anywhere."

This is one of the most depressing articles I've read here on FR - what a freakshow this transgender bs is. Just because something is surgically possible don't mean it should be done. Talk about not messing with mother nature. I gotta wash the stench off me now. Oh yuuuuuuck.

Looking into the crystal ball - five years from now scotus will say it's ok for transgender couples and singles to adopt children. And then, of course, scotus will decide that being a pedophile is just a lifestyle choice. For a nation that does so much, as they say, "for the children", abortion and gay adoption kind of seems, I don't know, just plain wrong.

28 posted on 07/31/2004 8:32:38 AM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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To: Dante3

"First of all, there is no such thing as a sex change."

Funny, but I never thought of it quite that way before. You are right, if it were all that simple the dairy farmers could simply alter all the extra bulls and produce a lot more milk.


29 posted on 07/31/2004 8:38:06 AM PDT by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: kennedy
If you hated your arm and wanted to cut it off you would be treated as having a psychological disorder.

But if you hated your brain and you cut it out, you would be seen as a typical democrat.

30 posted on 07/31/2004 8:41:51 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: aculeus
This left her with smooth skin where her genitals once were.

Only it's not "her" now --- but it's not "him" either --- maybe "it". Watch something like this become a new fad among the weirdos --- become genderless --- just smoothies.

31 posted on 07/31/2004 8:44:05 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: kennedy

Actually there are such people. They want to have one or more limbs amputated. I forget the term. Some surgeous have actually done this. The world has gone mad.


32 posted on 07/31/2004 8:45:57 AM PDT by RichardW
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To: Capriole
Yes, these poor, poor people really do suffer terribly. If you read the article the jokes die on your lips.

Yes --- that's true but it still doesn't make something like this less funny or weird.

33 posted on 07/31/2004 8:47:03 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Larry Lucido
Yea, but your eyesight will last much longer.

Are you sure he didn't already wear glasses because of it?

34 posted on 07/31/2004 8:49:56 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: aculeus
Why do people like this seem to think if they change the outside, the inside will be happier?

'Happiness' is a state of mind. It can't be bought, sold, surgically removed or attached!

35 posted on 07/31/2004 8:58:39 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Some people are just scared $hitless of actually living in FREEDOM!)
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To: AlbertWang
This dude/chick/????

"...started life as Mark Dainton in 1967". The guy is a eunch. Period.

36 posted on 07/31/2004 8:58:48 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter & a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: aculeus

I've always had a theory that the worse thing that can happen to a person is to get their heart's desire.

I've seen people obsess over things for years - possessions, people, jobs, houses - to the point where they think "if only...then I will be happy, finally".

9 times out of 10 when they finally succeed they fall into a depression, because it didn't change their lives into the miracle they had emotionally invested it with all that time.

I can imagine it's a lot worse when that obsession includes body mutilation and your general sense of self. I'm just surprised it's not more common. I bet it is, and they just refuse to acknowledge they are still unhappy, because that would destroy them.


37 posted on 07/31/2004 9:03:50 AM PDT by I still care (Have you heard about the Democrat cocktail? It's ketchup with a chaser.)
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To: MamaTexan

In our Freudianized society, people have been told for at least the last 40 years that the only thing that makes people happy is sex, and that the genuine goal of life is to have as much sex as possible.

So naturally people who are unhappy in our society assume that it all has to do with sex. And if you're really unhappy, you can no doubt convince yourself that you're really the wrong sex, which is why you are unable to attain the Freudian life goal of more and more sex, and that if this "mistake" could be "corrected" all would be well.

Of course, this is totally nuts, but then, so are most of the people who feel that way, and unfortunately they've found themselves in a society that feeds their delusion because it also believes that the whole goal of one's life is sex.


38 posted on 07/31/2004 9:08:16 AM PDT by livius
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To: Capriole
But society tells them this is permissible and society pays for these surgical atrocities. (Let's not forget that last bit: these procedures are horrendously expensive and I'm sure none of these fundamentally unsuccessful people are footing the bill themselves.)

Albeit, if "society tells them this [the castration] is permissible" is the accelerator, than mandating that the individual,not society, should himself pay for the procedure should be the brake.If wanted bad enough, whether castration, plastic surgery, an ocean cruise around the world, or new roof, a person will find the money for it.

"Society" pays for things like curbs, street lights, waste treatment plants,etc. b/c society (a conglomerate of men and women) benefit from such expenditure. Taxpayers footing the bill for self/self directed-mutilation (castration, body piercing, etc.) benefits no one ...not even, apparently, the recipient.

39 posted on 07/31/2004 9:16:12 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter & a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: kennedy

" If you hated your arm and wanted to cut it off you would be treated as having a psychological disorder. You would not be treated by having a surgeon cut off your arm."
...............................
While that used to be universally true, there are people who do hate their limbs and want them cut off and just as we had doctors who became willing to mutilate for sex changes, we already have some physicians who now advocate taking off healthy limbs for the psycological well-being of these obviously disturbed souls.

We now live in a world where, over time, all manner of deviant thought is proclaimed as normal and helped on it's way to infect yet more of our lost and rudderless children. No matter the deviancy, the medical stamp of approval is sought to help those who are consumed by it to continue on without the burden of guilt or remorse. The problem is, we are not a better, safer, nor happier society because of it. We are only more confused, depressed, and angry and we breed more of the same.

Since medicine seeks to reduce everything to the physical, they seek to make people well by declaring more and more as normal and healthy and attacking whatever is left of the problem with a scalpel and some pills. They do the people who suffer from these disorders few favors and only keep the line waiting at the revolving door of misery moving.


40 posted on 07/31/2004 9:17:24 AM PDT by Route66 (America's Mainstreet)
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