[Havoc]

No. No one from Darwin on ever said that a transitional is some kind of malformed freak.

I don't think we're talking about malformed freaks, are we. How do you suppose critters without wings evolve wings over large periods of time if it doesn't happen in stages or bits at a time? Oh, right, It's invisable. It happens; but, not so you could really tell or ever see it. It all just cooks together inside the critter really knowing the critter needs to fly then one day, wings pop out it's butt and it commences to flapping.. Right. Do we get a toaster with that. Something intelligent and useful should come from this conversation. We already know it takes long periods of time for these things to happen gradually over time and it's invisable. The time, obviously, because it's never been observed to ever happen. So if we say it takes millions of years (though we can't prove that anything has actually been around that long) then people will have to drop their expectation of ever seeing it happen and we can claim any bloody thing we like.. Yep. Snake oil. I thought this was supposed to be science. It's nothing more than a different religion trying to disprove God apparently. I don't see much science in it. There's a lot there pretending at science. But this is more like a debate between protestants and Catholics than a debate on science.

[whattajoke]

Please explain Penguins and ostriches, Mr. Ornithologist.

[VadeRetro]

How do you suppose critters without wings evolve wings over large periods of time if it doesn't happen in stages or bits at a time? Oh, right, It's invisable.

No, it isn't invisable or even invisible.

It all just cooks together inside the critter really knowing the critter needs to fly then one day, wings pop out it's butt and it commences to flapping.

You are extremely ignorant. Extremely. Why even pretend you care anything at all about science?

Feathered Dinosaurs.

So if we say it takes millions of years (though we can't prove that anything has actually been around that long) then people will have to drop their expectation of ever seeing it happen and we can claim any bloody thing we like.. Yep. Snake oil. I thought this was supposed to be science. It's nothing more than a different religion trying to disprove God apparently. I don't see much science in it. There's a lot there pretending at science. But this is more like a debate between protestants and Catholics than a debate on science.

That isn't reasoning, that's typing. To a Witch Doctor, everything is My God versus Your God. Science reasons things in ways you don't understand and probably think you will go to Hell for understanding. That doesn't give us much to talk about or you much to say to a science class.

[VadeRetro]

As a final point, with this kind of statement:

How do you suppose critters without wings evolve wings over large periods of time if it doesn't happen in stages or bits at a time? Oh, right, It's invisable. It happens; but, not so you could really tell or ever see it. It all just cooks together inside the critter really knowing the critter needs to fly then one day, wings pop out it's butt and it commences to flapping..

... you have gone from defending that "transitionals" must be malformed freaks to saying that gradual transitions are unknown. Both statements are already refuted now, and you have neither acknowledged the correction nor defended your misstatements. You simply hop from one to the other, back again dumb as a stump on the left foot of "That's fully formed! A transitional isn't fully formed!" and back again on the right foot of "That's invisable!"

The one thing is not expected and the other thing is not "invisable." Let's see if you can get both thoughts or even one thought into your little head.

[Right Wing Professor]

There's a lot there pretending at science. But this is more like a debate between protestants and Catholics than a debate on science.

Not really. We haven't started slaughtering each other yet.