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1 posted on 08/03/2004 4:49:17 AM PDT by Dane
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There is no joy in Willieville today, at the sight of good news.


2 posted on 08/03/2004 4:50:23 AM PDT by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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And my daughter is an English major. Big sigh.


4 posted on 08/03/2004 4:52:52 AM PDT by Jemian
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My husband and son visited an "Engineering Fair" at our local state college.

Pretty consistent with the info they got from the professors in the engineering departments.

Chemical Engineering was #1 on their list too.


5 posted on 08/03/2004 4:53:53 AM PDT by dawn53
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Hey, where's EE?

6 posted on 08/03/2004 4:54:10 AM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (optional, printed after your name on post)
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Have you seen what certified auto techs make within a couple of years of graduating from a tech school course?

I know several that work at dealerships, all have less than 5 years experience, and they all make $50,000 or more.

7 posted on 08/03/2004 4:57:28 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Have a burger and a beer and enjoy your liquid vegetables.)
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>> Computer engineering graduates are following closely behind with $51,572, but that figure represents a 0.3 percent decrease from last year.

Those graduating with a degree in computer science are seeing heartier increases. According to NACE, information sciences and systems graduates earn $43,053 a year, up 8.2 percent from a year earlier, while computer science graduates make $49,691 a year, up 4.8 percent...<<

Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I thought with the Dot com bust and the rest of the jobs moving overseas, these computer jobs were non existant.


10 posted on 08/03/2004 5:06:07 AM PDT by netmilsmom (A penny saved is a government oversight.)
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Chemical Engineer here.

Yes, the starting salary is good. But the salary stays flat; pretty much increasing just a little bit better than the rate of inflation (unless one continues with additional education and earns a higher level degree, or moves out of Chemical Engineering).


11 posted on 08/03/2004 5:09:30 AM PDT by kidd
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I wonder if this chart would show a new rank order and (of course) higher salaries if it were to be set up for graduate/doctorate level degrees?

Would engineering still hold the top spot?

One wonders....

13 posted on 08/03/2004 5:14:41 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rainin')
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After 20+ years as a veterinarian I now make as much as a graduating 4 years of college engineer. 14+ years of college for mediocrity in salary. Unfortunately, we are categorized as "rich doctors" by the uninformed public.
14 posted on 08/03/2004 5:15:47 AM PDT by vetvetdoug (In memory of T/Sgt. Secundino "Dean" Baldonado, Jarales, NM-KIA Bien Hoa AFB, RVN 1965)
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And this is just for undergraduate degrees.


15 posted on 08/03/2004 5:17:50 AM PDT by aruanan
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At the price of college versus the value received, many of these young adults should learn a trade and then have their parents give them the "education money" to go start their own business.


16 posted on 08/03/2004 5:18:02 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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Engineering salaries are good, if you can find a job right now. I graduated with a BSME last year, and what I earn didn't even make the chart.


17 posted on 08/03/2004 5:19:48 AM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (Let's win one more for the Gipper!)
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It's supply and demand, folks. There are tons of highly educated computer geeks, but that engineering stuff, hey, that's HARD!


19 posted on 08/03/2004 5:23:07 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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Gee, I guess I'm wasting my time getting a degree in Bible so I can have a career preaching to lost souls, since there doesn't appear to be any money in it. /sarcasm


20 posted on 08/03/2004 5:23:40 AM PDT by BSunday (God loves you)
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I've never believed in "degree as meal ticket."

No matter what the field, you're worth exectly what you negotiate, not a penny more or a penny less.


24 posted on 08/03/2004 5:30:25 AM PDT by angkor
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The great thing about getting an economics degree is that I can accurately explain why I'm unemployed.


26 posted on 08/03/2004 5:31:22 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (When it's all said and done, someone starts another conversation.......)
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Auditing / Accounting isn't a bad profession to get into right now. Because of the recent tighting of the accounting laws, large and small companies and even local, state, and federal government are doing a lot of hiring in these areas.

I has hired as an auditor 4 years ago, my starting salary was $29,000, but after less than 4 year I'm making $65,000 and could easily be making $80,000 if I wanted to relocate.

Many students are turned off from accounting / auditing because it's viewws as boring and not as glamorous as some of the other business professions like marketing. But this hasn't been my experience at all, there is a lot of interesting travel and far less number crunching than most people imagine.

30 posted on 08/03/2004 5:52:39 AM PDT by apillar
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Engineering grads were paid pretty well when I graduated back in '84. I lasted 2 weeks, and then decided to do what I love, illustration.

The most "lucrative" career of all though is the priesthood. How much is a saved soul worth?

32 posted on 08/03/2004 5:57:28 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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The article says nothing about the relative *numbers* of jobs. There are far fewer engineering jobs *overall* than a decade ago. Notice that one of the biggest increases is in infosys *managing.* That's because while many IT people have been laid off, a few are left behind to *manage* the Bangalore or Beijing staff.

Also, the chart doesn't tell you how many of the jobs showing increases are in parts of the country that normally have higher costs of living (and thus higher compensation.) If there's been a big shift from St. Louis to Chicago (as *is* the case), then you'd see a corresponding rise in salaries - when in actuality the rise in salary often does *not* keep up with the cost of living.

People interested in what's really going on in the EE and CS job market should read something like EE Times - the picture isn't anywhere near as rosy.

34 posted on 08/03/2004 6:03:53 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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Where are the MATH folks??


39 posted on 08/03/2004 6:17:31 AM PDT by litehaus
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