To: Perlstein
Who'll have the opening shot?
1 - John Kerry said in his acceptance speech that we will only go to war because we have to - how would you interpret that against prior military actions in Kosovo, Bosnia, Somalia, Iraq and even Korea and WWI? How profound a change is that policy? To what extent do you agree with it?
2 - On Fox News Sunday, John Kerry continued to insist that the president misled the nation about Iraq trying to get uranium ore from Niger, despite American and British findings to the contrary. Do you agree with Kerry? Or is he now lying himself?
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1. Easy. It was a stupid thing to say. Why do Freepers assume that every liberal reflexively defends every other liberal.
2. y'all is nuts if you STILL BELIEVE Iraq managed to ship tons of RADIOACTIVE ORE halfway across the Eastern hemisphere without anyone noticing. I certainly have my criticisms of Joe Wilson, but he does at least a adequate job of debunking that nonsense here:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/07/16/wilson_letter/
I wish I could go faster. FR is SLOWWWW today!
Why would that make us nuts? Pakistan was able to develop nuclear weapons, construct test sites, and detonate a nuclear explosive without a single intelligence agency on the planet seeing it happen.
NOT A SINGLE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY on the planet saw it coming. None. The entire world was taken by surprise. In fact, even after they detonated the bomb the world was unsure what had happened until Pakistan made a public announcement to the world that they had "joined the club."
Please show me where I said that. You put words in my mouth.
2. y'all is nuts if you STILL BELIEVE Iraq managed to ship tons of RADIOACTIVE ORE halfway across the Eastern hemisphere without anyone noticing
Bush didn't say that - he claimed that Iraq attempted to acquire the yellowcake, not that he actually did. You put words in Bush's mouth.
So far, you're 0-2 in the honest answer department. Not the greatest start on the world.
2. y'all is nuts if you STILL BELIEVE Iraq managed to ship tons of RADIOACTIVE ORE halfway across the Eastern hemisphere without anyone noticing. I certainly have my criticisms of Joe Wilson, but he does at least a adequate job of debunking that nonsense here:
Now, now Mr. Perlstein. The question asserts that they were trying to buy ore. Your answer has as a presupposition that they were able to purchase and ship what they were after. Answer the question please, was the Iraqi government trying to purchase uranium ore from Niger?
Self note # 2:
No uranium ore taken from Niger (Salon article, by Joe Wilson).
"2 - On Fox News Sunday, John Kerry continued to insist that the president misled the nation about Iraq trying to get uranium ore from Niger, despite American and British findings to the contrary. Do you agree with Kerry? Or is he now lying himself?"
You replied: "2. y'all is nuts if you STILL BELIEVE Iraq managed to ship tons of RADIOACTIVE ORE halfway across the Eastern hemisphere without anyone noticing. I certainly have my criticisms of Joe Wilson, but he does at least a adequate job of debunking that nonsense here: "
BZZZT. Which part of trying requires actual shipment? NONE. The British stand by their intelligence as per the Butler Report. Bush's 16 words were true, and Wilson's allegations were false.
And do you seriously still believe Joe Wilson, now that his claim to have had knowledge that 'debunked' the Niger evidence is now been established to be fraudulent? Joe Wilson claimed to have seen documents that he NEVER had access to at the time he claimed. Joe claimed his wife had nothing to do with the trip (she did). Joe claimed his trip 'disproved' the Niger connection (it didnt and furthermore, to some analysts increased their belief in Iraq's interest in uranium).
After all this, knowing as we know now that this whole scam started when Joe Wilson was chatting with Nick Kristof at a Democrat Senatorial conclave, ie a partisan gathering ... do you really believe Joe Wilson is a credible witness?