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Drop Dead Fred - a movie recommendation, and a strong proponent of family values. (vanity)
August 4, 2004 | me

Posted on 08/04/2004 11:39:44 AM PDT by grundle

Those who aren't familar with the 1991 movie Drop Dead Fred may be in for a real treat, or a major disappointment, depending upon your point of view. This is one of the most polarizing movies ever. All the major movie critics hated. A lot of the general public hated it. At the same time, there is a sizable cult following of people, including myself, who love it. Most people either love it or hate it - there are very few in the middle.

On the surface, the movie is a comedy. And as such, it's a great one. But at a deeper level, this is a very serious psychological drama.

Phoebe Cates gives the performance of a lifetime. Her acting here is amazing.

I love this movie. You may love it, or hate it, depending upon your tastes.

In its own way, this movie is a very strong proponent of family values. The movie shows that there are very severe negative consequences when people mistreat family members. The Phoebe Cates character suffers because of her husband's adultery, and also from having a mother who is very controlling and domineering. The Phoebe Cates character is given tremendous sympathy in the film, and we veiw everything from her point of view. Viewed in the proper context, this movie is a wonderful proponent of family values.

There isn't really anything political in the film. There is a funny crack about Marilyn Quayle's haircut, but that's all.

The movie is rated PG-13 for cartoon type violence, mild cursing, mild adult type situations, and a brief, comedic, non-sexual view of a man's naked behind. The movie definitely earns its PG-13 rating, so be aware that I have warned you in advance, if those kinds of things are a concern for you.

Besides Phoebe Cates, the movie also features Rik Mayall, Carrie Fisher, Marsha Mason, Tim Matheson, and Ashley Peldon.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: moviereview

1 posted on 08/04/2004 11:39:45 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Rik Mayall was funny in that BBC sitcom young ones, now thats good television!


2 posted on 08/04/2004 11:44:35 AM PDT by barryallen
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To: grundle

Agreed.

It should also be noted that the heart of the gag is that "Drop Dead Fred," Phoebe Cates' "imaginary friend" from childhood, reappears in her adulthood.

Having been in DC for a number of years, I'm here to tell you, the only thing worse than having an imaginary friend who reappears is discovering that a person who you thought was a friend turns out to only have been one in your imagination.

Like they say, "In Washington, if you want a friend, buy a dog."


3 posted on 08/04/2004 11:46:42 AM PDT by Shaddap IV
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To: grundle
Phoebe, what a sweetie....


4 posted on 08/04/2004 11:48:16 AM PDT by crv16
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To: grundle

Rik Mayall is cool.


5 posted on 08/04/2004 11:48:46 AM PDT by Sloth (John Kerry: Frank Burns with Charles Winchester's pedigree.)
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To: barryallen

He was good in Blackadder as well :)


6 posted on 08/04/2004 11:50:33 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (Come on you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever?)
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To: grundle

Haven't even finished the article, much less read the responses.

For the record, I vote "Loved it!"

It is excruciatingly silly, but I love silly. The restaurant scene is one of the funniest things I have ever seen on film. Ever.


7 posted on 08/04/2004 11:51:02 AM PDT by small_l_libertarian
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To: grundle

I think "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" is by far Phoebe's best work.

/sorry, had to say it


8 posted on 08/04/2004 11:51:40 AM PDT by johnfrink
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To: grundle

This is "breaking news?" Man, August really is a slow news month!


9 posted on 08/04/2004 11:53:41 AM PDT by whattajoke
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To: grundle

Even with Phoebe Cates, it's the worst movie ever made.


10 posted on 08/04/2004 11:58:19 AM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Tennessee_Bob

still waitng for a new season of black adder (they said they were going to make one, though i cant remeber what era it was suppose to be)

I still own a Young ones t shirt (though i really should throw it away)


11 posted on 08/04/2004 11:58:51 AM PDT by barryallen
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To: grundle

I really miss Phoebe Cates. Geez, I wish the clods in Hollyweird would put her in something. She's probably not perverted enough to compete in Hollywood anymore.


12 posted on 08/04/2004 12:00:34 PM PDT by PeterFinn
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To: Moonman62
Although it is a bad movie, she was in an even worse one.

Now that I think about it, I have only seen her in two movies. The other one was "Paradise".

Although the movie was pretty bad, she definitely looked good.

13 posted on 08/04/2004 12:01:12 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Moonman62

I'm with you on this and I was a big fan of Phoebe Cates.
This movie is almost unwatchable in my view and relies on gross childish humor and none of the intelligence present in "The Young Ones."


14 posted on 08/04/2004 12:08:09 PM PDT by pro libertate
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To: grundle

I loved it too! It is a favorite movie as it succinctly paints a picture of control through narcissism while at the same time bringing forward really great comedy. The point is that the narcissist has no power over the person who shows that he or she isn't afraid anymore and can't be hurt by the narcissist.

This gets at the heart of liberal elitism.


15 posted on 08/04/2004 12:11:29 PM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: grundle
She really is pretty.

I once read she is part Chinese. I wouldn't have thought of it, but she does very slightly have that look.

16 posted on 08/04/2004 12:11:55 PM PDT by Shanda
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To: Shaddap IV

Better yet, when in Washington, stand back because some control freak is gonna try to fix you. And you will be the worse for it.


17 posted on 08/04/2004 12:13:44 PM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: PeterFinn

She made the decision to step away from the camera when she married Kevin Kline. She wanted a successful marriage and family more than a movie career. I used to enjoy seeing her with David Letterman when she first married Kevin Kline. He used to always refer to her husband as Robert Klein.


18 posted on 08/04/2004 12:14:27 PM PDT by pro libertate
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To: johnfrink

Makes me seriously consider putting in a pool.


19 posted on 08/04/2004 12:17:19 PM PDT by wingnutx (tanstaafl)
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To: grundle

Both my girls, now 25 and 12, adore it.


20 posted on 08/04/2004 12:24:33 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: barryallen
Rik Mayall was funny in that BBC sitcom young ones, now thats good television!

Great television. And he was brilliant as the voice of Mr. Toad in the animated film The Wind in the Willows.

21 posted on 08/04/2004 12:26:34 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: grundle
Drop Dead Fred - a movie recommendation, and a strong proponent of family values. (vanity)

Man, I thought this was one depressing, stinker of a movie.
22 posted on 08/04/2004 12:29:02 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: PeterFinn
I really miss Phoebe Cates. Geez, I wish the clods in Hollyweird would put her in something.

Kevin Kline, her husband, keeps her barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen. </sarcasm>

23 posted on 08/04/2004 12:29:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: pro libertate

Yes, Dave had a big crush on her, she is a very pretty girl


24 posted on 08/04/2004 12:44:33 PM PDT by apackof2 (Kind words are like honey-sweet to the soul and healthy for the body Pro.16:24)
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To: johnfrink

Fast Times was one of the most immoral movies of all time---I once had a friend in high school tell me that it had some influence on her decision to have an abortion. The lead character gets an abortion and is "sad" for a day as if her pet dog was missing, and then was back to her usual self throughout the rest of the movie. As my friend learned, abortion isn't anything like a missing pet and is a decision to be regretted for a lifetime. I had forgotten about that until I watched it the other night and was appalled. Even the trash produced for the teen sect today doesn't treat the subject in such a cavalier way.

Sorry, had to say it


25 posted on 08/04/2004 1:25:28 PM PDT by metalcor
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To: metalcor
I too noticed the pro abortion slant.

Their idea of a good guy is one who pays for his girl friend's abortion.

26 posted on 08/04/2004 1:33:25 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: grundle
I love this movie......You. Can. Not. Be. Serious. This movie stank on the Richter scale.
27 posted on 08/04/2004 1:40:34 PM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: metalcor
(Keep in mind that I am a recent convert to the "abortion is always unacceptable" position. Look me up in the forums if you don't believe me.)

...Even the trash produced for the teen sect today doesn't treat the subject in such a cavalier way...

I have loved "Fast Times" since I was a teenager, and it didn't occur to me until your post that you're so right. Stacy's abortion is both the central theme of the movie, and a completely "throwaway" subject. It's the most important plotline, but it's just another plotline. If that makes any sense at all.

Being the eternal optimist, I will say that it's probably a good sign as far as the pro-life movement is concerned. "Fast Times" isn't all that long ago - and now the entire subject is treated in a totally different way. I don't think that a mainstream movie today would even consider treating abortion in this manner. Even movies that are entirely about an abortion (or abortions in general) always, always treat it as a very difficult, very serious decision for a woman.

I know it might not seem like it, but that really is progress.
28 posted on 08/04/2004 1:46:27 PM PDT by small_l_libertarian
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To: small_l_libertarian

gremlins was a pro family movie, gizmo was like thier child and see what happens when you dont take care of your kid! it lays eggs and turns into a monster.


29 posted on 08/04/2004 1:49:22 PM PDT by barryallen
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To: grundle

A good movie? You must be joking. I couldn't watch more than 20 minutes of that childish tripe.


30 posted on 08/04/2004 1:55:34 PM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: yarddog

Exactly. The only moral question asked was "did he pay his half of the abortion?".


31 posted on 08/04/2004 2:13:51 PM PDT by metalcor
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To: metalcor
Fast Times was one of the most immoral movies of all time---I once had a friend in high school tell me that it had some influence on her decision to have an abortion.

With all due respect, I think that says more about your friend than it does about the movie.

32 posted on 08/04/2004 2:15:38 PM PDT by johnfrink
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To: johnfrink

But my friend was not the subject at hand. She was influenced by the way the subject was approached by the entire culture at the time this movie was produced. She was far from alone. Only after tens of thousands of women learned in a personal way that abortion was emotionally scarring was hollywood forced to avoid the subject almost completely. They certainly are not interested in telling the truth, so the truth is avoided.


33 posted on 08/04/2004 2:19:52 PM PDT by metalcor
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To: PeterFinn
I really miss Phoebe Cates. Geez, I wish the clods in Hollyweird would put her in something. She's probably not perverted enough to compete in Hollywood anymore.

She was great. She's busy raising her children which is normal and wholesome. While other Hollyweird actresses are acting out their "issues" on stage. She married Kevin Klein whose acting I've never much regard for. Her "exotic" looks come from being one quarter Chinese with some Jewish.

From internet:
Her father was of Russian Jewish descent, her mother is a Filipina of Spanish-Chinese ancestry

34 posted on 08/04/2004 2:23:30 PM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: yarddog

yarddog, you obviously did not see 'Fast times at Ridgemont High'

Pheobe has a role in that film that stayed in my mind since the film came out.


35 posted on 08/04/2004 2:24:03 PM PDT by Outlaw76 (Citizens on the Bounce!)
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To: Outlaw76
After I saw her in "Paradise", nothing in Ridgemont was worth remembering.

I saw it with my Wife and had to pretend I was bored. Well I actually was bored except for the parts with Phoebe sans clothes, and there was a lot of them.

36 posted on 08/04/2004 2:37:54 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: metalcor
"The lead character gets an abortion and is "sad" for a day as if her pet dog was missing, and then was back to her usual self throughout the rest of the movie"

meta, I didn't get the same view from the movie as that. I watched part of the movie again a couple of weeks ago and I mentioned to my wife that the character who had the abortion looked sickly and sallow for the rest of the film, insecure and troubled. Though I don't think that covers for the casual almost cavalier attitude they give the abortion, nor the irresponsibility of the idiot that got her pregnant, it is an almost subliminal warning. Attitudes are changing about abortion and have already made a huge turn since the early-mid 80's. With work, they will continue to change.

37 posted on 08/04/2004 2:41:24 PM PDT by Outlaw76 (Citizens on the Bounce!)
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To: Outlaw76

I have to disagree, but I did get the feeling that the original intent may have been to show the ramifications of free sex and abortion, but someone rejected that theme and kind of just ignored it and went for the "stoners are funny" angle. The consequences angle was so "almost subliminal" as to have been nonexistent in my opinion. It would have been better to just have avoided the unwanted pregnancy completely as it came off as cavalier. The character seemed more upset that the guy did her and forgot her than she was about killing a child which was never even considered.


38 posted on 08/04/2004 3:05:50 PM PDT by metalcor
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To: metalcor; Outlaw76

I probably have a unique angle on FTARH. I actually bought the DVD because I teach college and I wanted to study Mr. Hand's classroom style.


39 posted on 08/05/2004 6:21:48 AM PDT by murdoog (taglines are far out man)
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To: murdoog
I taught in college after retirement. It was fun.

I retired again and a friend asked me to substitute teach at the local high school. This was in a conservative area but I was shocked at how badly the high school students behaved. I wouldn't put up with it and did the only thing a substitute could do and sent a bunch to the principal's office.

I got them under control but it was just more trouble than it was worth and since I didn't need the money I just decided not to do it anymore.

The college students were absolutely no problem at all.

40 posted on 08/06/2004 12:12:59 PM PDT by yarddog
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