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Posted on 08/04/2004 11:25:23 PM PDT by Steven W.
Wouldn't it be weird if Kerry really remembered it this way - you know, completely, clinically delusional. Not saying that's what I think, but either way the creep is beyond unfit to be Prez.
Outdoor Life Network Fishing With Roland Martin ''The Executive Pond.'' Roland, President Bush and his dog, Barney, fish his personal ranch pond in Crawford, Texas. (30 minutes) Sports, non-event Fishing
Pass along, should be great viewing
(Sorry for being off topic, I'm buying the book asap)
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This Cambodian business is just somebody's imagination. John Kerry's imagination. And pinning it on Dick Nixon is equally immoral. As pointed out, Christmas in 1968 was a time still under the Democratic Administration of Lyndon Johnson. The Apollo 8 crew members went around the moon. And that was about it.
And John Kerry went searching for Bob Hope. Sure, Kerry's going to know he is in Cambodia, even if he were there. Good point about him saying he could ID the Khmer Rouge. What a phoney.
Methinks Kerry has been talking to Oliver Stone too much, or perhaps seeing "Platoon" a few too many times, particularly the "Cambodian incursion" scene. ("Yeah, I even heard we're in F---in' Cambodia." "Cambodia? Man!!!")
Exactly. To the best of my knowledge, the Khmer Rouge from '67 to '70 was little more than a few dozen malcontents working up a plan for revolution in a little encampment in the far northwest, a little south of Poipet, far from the borders of either north or south Vietnam.
The Khmer communist movement started in 1951. This was fully backed by the Vietnamese. They started working within the system through elections trying to get power. This caused a crackdown by Sihanouk including cancelling elections and denying seats to the communists. A thtat point, Sihanouk also started a crackdown against them. They went underground and Pol Pot took over in 1963. At this time they were very pro-VNA and were getting most of their support from Hanoi.
In 1968, they were still a regular insurgent force. The CPK, which was started by Pol Pot and later became the Khmer Rouge was started in 1970 (IIRC). They used the US bombing of Cambodia as a way to recruit people into the movement so it is impossible they existed before 1970.
If Kerry did fight against Cambodians along the border, it was against North Vietnamese backed Khmer guerilla fighters, certainly not against the Khmer Rouge. That said, I have no doubt those people later joined the Khmer Rouge.
During 1967 and 1968, Operation Salem House was putting US Special Forces (Green Berets?) into Cambodia to conduct recon mission and also create random chaos. I don't know very much about these missions but IF they were using swift boats to drop these guys into Cambodia, there is a chance Kerry could have been there when he says he was.
Read my previous post. IF he was there and he was getting shot at, it was not by the Khmer Rouge who didn't exist at the time.
It certainly was not the KR, as you said, which did not really take off until Sihanouk allied himself with the KR after his ouster, during the Khmer Republic, when he went into the jungles. 1970, 1971 at best, several years before Lt. Kerry's 'sojourn'.
UNFIT for President
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All good points, and that's pretty much what I recall from reading Chandler and Kiernan and the rest.
In 1970, the KR numbered less than 10,000, and I think they were fighting for control of the cities and provinces, not down in the swampy border areas near VN hoping to pick off a stray American sailor.
I read this section last night, but didn't have time to comment. I'm so glad someone else picked up Nixon and 1968.
What do you want to bet that the spin will be "Kerry didn't mean Nixon sent troops to Cambodia in 1968, he just meant that Nixon lied to the American public about Cambodia even though he knew troops had been sent to Cambodia by the previous administration?
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That would be President Johnson, a democrat.
There is, of course, no record that Kerry ever informed anyone of what he did, where he was, or where he was going—all required by regulations for the safety of the boat and crew.
You see when you're a for really HEro these little rules don't apply to you.
preordained or destined to be President
I understand upper slovinia has an opening.
Remember we have'nt seen anything yet. These idiots still think Kerry's going to win. When it finaly sinks in that they're going to lose...watch out They're going to go absolutly insane! (of course for some of them it's a really short trip)
Links of interest:
U.S. POWs were known to have been inside Cambodia prior to the 1970 incursion
MACV/SOG/OPS-35
Military Assistance Command Vietnam’s (MACV)
Studies and Observation Group (SOG),
and its ground reconnaissance component, Operations 35 (OPS-35)
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Between 1964 and 1972, the SOG’s OPS-35 was said to have had a strength of 2,000-2,500 U.S. personnel and 7,000 to 8,000 indigenous troops, most of whom came from South Vietnam’s Montagnard, Cambodian (Khmer Krom), and Nung ethnic minorities. Although OPS-35’s primarily concerns were with strategic reconnaissance, on special occasions its teams would conduct raids, prisoner apprehension missions, or seek-locate-annihilate-and-monitor (SLAM) missions.
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Thus from the initiation of SOG’s Cambodian operations in 1967 until 1970, there was a progressive expansion of the zones of operation and OPS-35 patrols within Cambodia.
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From 1967 through April 1972, OPS-35 conducted 1,398 reconnaissance missions, 38 platoon-sized patrols, and 12 multi-platoon operations in Cambodia. During the same period, it captured 24 prisoners of war.
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Deactivation of SOG and Congressional Hearings
In mid-1972, SOG deactivated.
It seems unlikely that the KR would have been "5 miles" from the VN border in 1968, or that they would have been hanging out with the NVA, or that Kerry would have been able to ID a KR member vs. a plain old Cambodian, esp. at night. The KR didn't wear uniforms. I'm just wondering how Kerry knew that he was facing Cambodians that evening.
I beg to differ; this is WAY past Clinton.
If Kerry or his shills try the "it was a super duper top secret CIA mission, we were sworn to lifetime secrecy and given a special CIA boat for the mission," he'll be laughed at.
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