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To: reformedliberal

To quote Armybrat Proud:

"Does not matter how they act when they are here.
If States decide they don't want them.....they should not be allowed. The States have authority of how elections are set in their State.
Article 2 Section 1 [2] seems to be an indicator of that."

This is the real issue....the only issue here.

Democrat scare tactics may come and go, but the bottom line is do these election monitors line up with the Constitution?

This is all that matters.



102 posted on 08/09/2004 8:12:37 AM PDT by Cedar
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To: Cedar
Note that we have joined this group 14 years ago. The USA does not enter into unconstitutional agreements. Viz: the ICC and Kyoto. Constitutional attorneys vet all such agreements. Differences of opinion are resolved in court.

Florida (which is set to cheat) has exercised their state's rights on this issue. They have banned observers to 50 feet of the polling place. That can make you sleep well at night, I am sure.

The Constitution is our GUIDING document. There are 280 years of Amendments and law that is also the ruling law of the USA.

I am reminded of a guy I knew decades ago. He had a high school education and was a blue collar tradesman, and had native intelligence. He carried around a copy of Einstein's Theory of Relativity and pulled it out whenever possible to make points on science. He may or may not have really understood it, but it sure impressed anyone who didn't. Einstein's findings are regularly challanged within the scientific community, which is one way that branch of science goes forward.

There are many strains of Constitutional interpretation. There are many attempts to make Americans doubt their government. Anarchy results when we constantly hold to a strict and uneducated interpretation of a single document taken out of historical and legal and geopolitical context and constantly question any interpretation that we don't think is *pure*.

We do not exist in a geopolitical vacuum. We do not exist separate from treaties and international organizations. To do so would be to invite charges of nonalignment and would threaten the many, many bilateral agreements we use to do end runs around the egregious attempts of the UN/EU et al to erode our system.And that is only one point against a narrow view of the constitution as a *ruling* vs a *guiding* document. The Constitution has been changed many times. Which version do you want the USA to hold to? There is a ream of additional SCOTUS decisions that are considered when Constitutionality is debated. Which ones are you willing to accept? Why?

Complain. Run for office. Start a petition in your state. Get a constitutional law degree. Research things w/objectivity. But if all people do is bitch and moan about a treasonous government and foment dissension, then you are playing into the hands of our enemies and domestic opponents.

I and others have written long posts on the other threads on this issue. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but in the end, we either agree to support our government or we foment revolution. I see no betrayal of the USA in this action. It has happened before and the results were beneficial for us as Republicans. We also observe the elections of other sovereign democracies. (Yes, we are a Constitutional Republic, but we operate by democratic means)

There is a reason it is almost impossible to elect far right candidates.

YYMV.
103 posted on 08/09/2004 8:44:43 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Proud Bush-Cheney04 volunteer)
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