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Pardon me, I have to go take some Pepto Bismol. Nausea, you understand.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 08/11/2004 4:14:09 AM PDT by MadIvan
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Ping!


2 posted on 08/11/2004 4:14:28 AM PDT by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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To: MadIvan

I always knew the libs needed therapy. The DEMS are nothing more than a roiling hive of seething rage.


3 posted on 08/11/2004 4:16:46 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: MadIvan

"Kerry grows on you"

It's official....John F'n Kerry is SLIME MOLD!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone get me some Lysol and I will fix it!!!!!


4 posted on 08/11/2004 4:17:22 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Kerry renames the US The People's Republic of America)
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To: MadIvan
Cleland is not only a fellow veteran of Vietnam, but a fellow victim of a savage Republican smear campaign.

I get very tired of this crap being repeated. Cleland ran as a conservate Zell Miller type Democrat in 1996 and was elected with a 49% plurality because there was a Libertarian in the race to siphon off enough Republican votes. He became a predictable liberal vote on most issues, something his opponent had the gall to point out in 2002, when the voters sent him packing decisively.

You see, to a Democrat, a war injury is supposed to entitle them to a free ride in elective office for life. Anything else is smear tactics.

5 posted on 08/11/2004 4:21:45 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: MadIvan

I feel bad about Cleland's war injury and all but the guy's still a total jackass.


6 posted on 08/11/2004 4:28:49 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: MadIvan
"It wasn't me," he recalls. "It was the man behind me..."

Its not my fault! That guy MADE me reach for that grenade! It all makes sense now! I AM NOT RESPONSILE!

7 posted on 08/11/2004 4:30:44 AM PDT by canalabamian (Common sense, unfortunately, is not very common)
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Ivan, let me speak as a native Georgian. Max used to be a good guy- he was Secretary of State here for ages, often running unopposed, he was so popular. He helped me with some handicap issues way back when I was married to Wife #1, the quadriplegic.

Something happened as he ascended to higher office, and he became a mouthpiece for the left wing- but he was not always like that. I feel embarassed for him.

8 posted on 08/11/2004 4:42:09 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: MadIvan

"...and the gloves are well and truly off"

Well, one glove anyway...


12 posted on 08/11/2004 5:11:38 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Flee...into the peace and safety of a new dark age" Lovecraft)
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To: MadIvan

As I have said before, I would like to see a crash up derby match between him and Larry Flynt, just prove they are not the same person.

Maybe they could have a grenade tossing match. You know, like its an egg.


14 posted on 08/11/2004 5:27:25 AM PDT by LongsforReagan (Democrats =Girly Men)
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To: MadIvan
I was never in the service, but wouldn't picking up a grenade be a huge no-no? I mean, don't they have only a few seconds before they go off? I would run and watch for a few minutes before I got anywhere near it.

The rest of the story: "He had just jumped off a helicopter, on his way to do a little drinking (not running into battle as the article implies), when he saw a grenade on the ground. Believing it had fallen off his belt, he bent over to pick it up – and it exploded."

"To the outrage of Democrats and some Republicans, and in an early example of the tactics that are currently being used to discredit Kerry (funny, no mention of Dems using the tactics, and the fact that they are usually the innovators of the techniques), his rival ran a ferocious television advert that questioned his patriotism (actually, it questioned his poor judgement) for having voted in the Senate against new Homeland Security legislation. He had indeed voted against it, but only because of a particular clause inserted by Republicans (and there had never been a bill with a debatable clause in it before. Pardon my sarcasm. Ever look at the highway bills?). To ram the point home, an image in the advert showed Osama bin Laden staring off screen and Saddam Hussein shaking hands with one of his generals."

Hey, we were at war, time was of he essence, and political posturing was ill timed and ill advised. Play politics when lives are not at stake.

16 posted on 08/11/2004 5:58:10 AM PDT by SpinyNorman (McCain and Kerry called the Swifties "liars" without speaking to a single one.)
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Laughing at liberals is very therapeutic


18 posted on 08/11/2004 6:20:54 AM PDT by NRA1995 ("Just call me a proud Republican goon!")
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"It's not so much that he throws a knock-out punch, one-liner, or whatever. We'll leave Bush to do his one-liner stuff. The truth of the matter is that Kerry grows on you. He has depth, courage and leadership ability. He's got skill and he knows what he's doing. It comes across slowly, but it will come across."

So does melanoma, the trick is to excise it before it metastisizes.

21 posted on 08/11/2004 6:59:58 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (Donate to the Swifties, once again serving the nation selflessly)
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there was a standing joke when Stumpy was running the VA that Stumpy was the WORST thing to happen to vets since they got home from Nam!!!
22 posted on 08/11/2004 9:20:07 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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Compare and contrast:

To the outrage of Democrats and some Republicans, and in an early example of the tactics that are currently being used to discredit Kerry, his rival ran a ferocious television advert that questioned his patriotism for having voted in the Senate against new Homeland Security legislation. He had indeed voted against it, but only because of a particular clause inserted by Republicans. To ram the point home, an image in the advert showed Osama bin Laden staring off screen and Saddam Hussein shaking hands with one of his generals.

From the 2/7/04 NYTimes (re: Kerry vs. Weld, 1996): (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/07/politics/campaign/07KERR.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=524fef06665dae45&hp&ex=1092369600 Mr. Kerry planted himself in Massachusetts and pushed aside his longtime media adviser — much as last year he fired his campaign manager. He brought in Bob Shrum, a Democratic consultant known for sharp ads and who is now playing a major role in Kerry's presidential campaign.

Mr. Kerry began hammering the theme that would let him leap over the charm gap: that a vote for Weld was a vote for a Republican Senate and for Newt Gingrich's Republican revolution.

Kerry ads reminded voters that Mr. Weld had once deemed Mr. Gingrich — "Newtie," the governor had called him — his "ideological soulmate." They blended photos of Mr. Weld with those of Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond. At a debate, Mr. Kerry held up a Dole for President button in front of Mr. Weld.

Mr. Weld insisted there were "only two names on the ballot: Weld and Kerry." On its face, it seemed ridiculous to lump a Grateful Dead-loving, gay rights-supporting governor with Southern conservatives.

But even Weld advisers say it worked. "We thought, `Everyone knows Bill Weld, no one will believe this guy is Newt Gingrich, this is dumb strategy,' " said Raymond P. Howell, a senior Weld adviser. "It was brilliant strategy."

In the final debate, the week before Election Day, Mr. Kerry challenged Mr. Weld to declare whether he would support Mr. Helms's continued tenure as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. "That was a tough question," Mr. Weld said recently. "I ducked."

What does Cleland have to say about this? How is it different from what Cleland claims was done to him?

23 posted on 08/11/2004 12:33:46 PM PDT by SpinyNorman (McCain and Kerry called the Swifties "liars" without speaking to a single one.)
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To: MadIvan

Cleland lost in Georgia because he insisted on voting 100% down the Democratic line, including supporting Clinton at every step. There was no vicious smear campaign.

He's a whiner.


24 posted on 08/11/2004 5:35:13 PM PDT by Amelia (Know what happens when you ASSUME?)
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