Posted on 08/13/2004 5:24:43 AM PDT by Hatteras
So if the situation were reversed, and it were the husband that had custody of the kids and was jailed for smoking 'around' them, you'd be okay with that?
If you can honestly answer yes, then that's fine. If not, you are letting your biases cloud your judgment.
>>Btw, the witch that has kept my granddaughters from me smokes.<<
Whoa.
You spelled that name wrong. It begins with a "B".
Puff
Sorry pal, we don't live in an anarchy. You don't get to pick and choose what laws you'll obey. You'll obey them all, or pay the consequences.
In this case, the law was the court order - failing to obey that was contempt of court. She had due process, the opportunity to contest that provision of the order, and either she didn't or she failed. At that point, she had to suck it up and live under the law and she failed to do so.
Of course what this is all about is the father wanting to get back at the mother for something. At least IMO.
Pretty soon they will be legislating what you can eat and/or feed your kids on your own time.
Sorry pal, we don't live in an anarchy. You don't get to pick and choose what laws you'll obey. You'll obey them all, or pay the consequences
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Create ENOUGH laws and we will all be criminals. The food Nazi's are coming next. How about this for a senerio..our food is already coded, we now have self checkouts based on weight ect. Just add another little scale for the one purchasing and YOUR weight determines what items the checkout will ALLOW you to purchase or you are taxed more for the items you shouldn't be allowed to eat. Think not? We are not that far from it.
They already have regs in public schools in Texas regarding what the state can serve and what parents can bring for parties/ birthdays. Pretty soon they will be dictating what the chirens will be allowed to eat at all times.
We better authorize the government to monitor the diets of all children and use the force of government guns to make sure that parents are only feeding the chilrrruuuunnnn approved food groups!
The camel's nose is under the tent with much celebration by many Freepers!
That's sort of like when a federal judge actually levied a tax on Kansas City, MO. After the tax was finally removed as unconstitutional, the judge ordered the KC City Council to levy the tax, or else go to jail for contempt.
Mark
Yeah, Give me a break.
Yeah, she was sent to jail for defying the court order -- however, she should have more basic responsibility ***AND COMMON SENSE*** than to smoke around her kids, if the issue here is that she was close enough for them to breathe that disgusting, vile, carcinogen.
It's one thing to have total lack of respect for yourself, as well as disregard for your own health (Americans should continue to have the right to do stupid things...I strongly advocate that!)....however, to heap that on your children who may have no choice but to breathe your smoke is intolerable.
On this site, we get so up in arms about the abortion issue. I myself, do not condone abortion as it is a horrible practice.
By the same token, shouldn't we also stand up for the vulnerable children who HAVE BEEN brought into this world? When that world is a smoky, cancer-causing cesspool, I applaud that man for having the balls to have the "no smoking around the kids" clause put into the divorce decree.
I think he exhibited admirable courage to stand up for his kids' health.
Argue with it all you want....but just as we are fighting to get our President four more years - through all the lies being spun up by the left and THEIR denial of the basic truths WE know to be apparent - let's not get caught up in our OWN denial of the hard truth that smoking is a one-way dead end street -- and it DOES affect more than just the smoker!!!
If you want to keep your kids you obey the judge. What does it prove to defy the court order and lose the children, that is more danger to children than smoking. OBEY THE COURT ORDER...how hard is that. WE have a whole country of democrats and libertarians who just can't obey the rules. It is ludicrous that people refuse to do what they are supposed to do. If you don't like ruling, appeal. But in meantime OBEY THE COURT ORDER, PERIOD.
The children received absolutely NO BENEFIT from her disobeying, in fact she is teaching those children that what the courts say doesn't matter, and when they end up in prison she will have her "just deserts" for the lessons she has taught them. You want your children to lie, then you set example and lie...you want them honest, teach them to be honest. A parent is the example and she is a damn poor example to those children.
WHAT IF every man/woman whom the court told pay child support refused to obey, what if every parent told to return their children on Sunday at 6 pm returned them on Monday instead....We'd have chaos in no time, children not being in school, children with no decent clothes..no shoes. We have that already from the slimebuckets who don't pay, but it would be horrible if everyone just did what they wanted to do!!!
Let's see what else we can not do, let's not pay our traffic fines because we disagree with the speed limit, let's not pay our parking charges because someone should not have put that fire hydrant in that place, or that handicapped parking where I wanted to park......DO YOU SEE WHERE THAT KIND OF THINKING GOES. JUST BECAUSE you don't want someone to tell you NOT to smoke, you're going to do it if it 'hairlips the governor'.....Why don't we all just do whatever we damn well please!! Yeah that's original...Adam and Eve thought that was great idea too and look where we are!!
Obviously you aren't a christian, the court order telling her not to smoke in front of children is not tyranny. She could have smoked anywhere else....the problem is not courts in this case.
IF THE COURT ORDER HAD VIOLATED SCRIPTURE she had right not to obey, as Court does not supercede God. For example if it said she could not pray, or read the Bible or anything we are told to do in Scripture...but even Jesus says you render to government what is theirs and that all authority placed over men is of God....just because we disagree with it doesn't give us right to just ignore it.
It is not Tyranny to tell people to do the right thing.
WE are allowed to disobey laws that are in direct opposition to GOD and his LAW....but that is all. WE must on other issues that are not addressed obey our earthly authority.
That's a different issue. If you violate a contract, you can't get arrested for it.
However, if you sign onto an agreement with somebody and the terms of that agreement are turned into a court order, as was the case here, violating the order is no longer just a case of violating a contract. It's contempt of court.
"The way people feel about smoking bans is an indication of whether you are a liberal, or someone that thinks they are conservative, but is actually a liberal."
Worth repeating bump!
Doesn't matter. She signed onto the custody agreement and agreed to be bound by it. Violating a court order constitutes contempt of court.
In a free society, the proper thing to do is appeal a ruling, not defy it.
"Sorry pal, we don't live in an anarchy. You don't get to pick and choose what laws you'll obey. You'll obey them all, or pay the consequences."
I am truly thankful that our Founders didn't have the same attitude that you have. If they did, we would still have a monarchy!
The person who needs to be in Jail is that idiot Judge who gave her the order.
Tobacco is a legal product, and until it is made ILLEGAL, that sorry sack of skunk crap has no business telling anyone what they can do with a legal substance.
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