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Germans balk at effort to simplify their spelling rules
Christian Science Monitor ^ | Friday, August 13, 2004 | Isabelle de Pommereau

Posted on 08/13/2004 9:59:14 PM PDT by Stoat

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1 posted on 08/13/2004 9:59:14 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

What did Germans do when using computers that cannot produce the esszet character?


2 posted on 08/13/2004 10:01:54 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: Stoat

Do they have a better language skills than Martin Luther? If not, shouldn't they leave well enough alone?


3 posted on 08/13/2004 10:03:07 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Stoat
Mark Twain - "The Awful German Language."
4 posted on 08/13/2004 10:04:02 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: supercat

Probably use the ALT key plus the ASCII number for the character.


5 posted on 08/13/2004 10:04:07 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Stoat; Charles Henrickson; mikrofon

Ich bin ein misspeller.


6 posted on 08/13/2004 10:04:08 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Humor me.)
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"At a time when there's a feeling English is encroaching upon German more and more, the Germans have been thinking about their language more and more, and the spelling reform has played a key role in that."

They're getting more like the French every day. But the Germans should be more worried about the encroaching Turkish language.

7 posted on 08/13/2004 10:08:37 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Charles Henrickson; mikrofon
Er, make that:

"Ich bin ein mißpeller"

8 posted on 08/13/2004 10:09:08 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Humor me.)
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To: Stoat

Forget spelling, can they do something about all those dang rules for adjective ending, and making plurals? I mean, there are what, 52 possible different adjective endings? That's nuts!

Fyi, they already changed their alphabet and cut down what was once dozens of comma rules to something like 4. Just about everyone in Germany speaks English. Maybe someday they will wise-up and drop German altogether.

But keep the esszet (Scharfe's 'S'?). It is cool.


9 posted on 08/13/2004 10:09:19 PM PDT by explodingspleen (When life gets complex, multiply by the complex conjugate.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Probably use the ALT key plus the ASCII number for the character.

It's not part of the original standard ASCII set; while most computers nowadays have it, that wasn't always the case. Even today, not all computer equipment can produce it.

10 posted on 08/13/2004 10:12:22 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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What did Germans do when using computers that cannot produce the esszet character?

Zey are sscrewed!

Actually, when I used German keyboards over there they worked okay, except that the y and z for some reason were transposed, making for lots of corrections.

11 posted on 08/13/2004 10:13:09 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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In other words, ebonics for the Germans. I'll bet they're sorry they lost the war now.


12 posted on 08/13/2004 10:25:46 PM PDT by henderson field
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But the Germans should be more worried about the encroaching Turkish language.

At the time, about a year after the Wall fell, Germans were fit to tied. A few years later, they stopped squawking.I can't figure out what happened or why.

13 posted on 08/13/2004 10:33:56 PM PDT by lizma
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The problem here is the simple German mentality....they cannot leave something well enough alone. Their constant tendency to keep going back and updating or improving something is legendary...but it also starts to show problems with society in general. These professors who met and decided upon the language change...are actually part of the German government, and paid for their employment. When they dictated that hundreds of rules must change...there was no challenge...like the Jews, they simply accepted the changes initially. But as months have gone by...its obvious that the bulk of German society don't want this improvement. The fascinating thing, is that the printed media is the group that is simply drawing the line...if they don't cooperate, then the changes simply won't work (unless government penelities take place)...and I'm guessing that this is what the media is gauging itself for. If the government wants this changes bad enough...they will have to fine the media for not going to the new rules.


14 posted on 08/13/2004 10:38:51 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: struwwelpeter
except that the y and z for some reason were transposed,

QWERTZ?

Is the Z used more than Y in German? Wasn't QWERTY originally designed to slow down typists enough so as to allow
the mechanically levered typewriters to work without jamming?

15 posted on 08/13/2004 10:47:25 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: struwwelpeter

Fortunately for us, English has very simple rules.

i before e except after c, though is pronounced thow with the th pronounced softly, unless you follow it with a t, then it becomes a hard th, and ough is pronounced "ah". But if you you insert an "r" after the th, then you pronounce the ough "ooo". bow is pronounced like bough unless it is pronounced like boe and in bow and arrow. X is pronounced as a "z" when it is the first letter of a word, sign is pronounced "syne" unless it is followed by "ature", then the "g" must be pronounced and the i is pronounced like the "i" in "sin". to is pronounced 2 just like "two" is and "too" is. Of is pronounced "ov" unless there are two "f"'s. Then it's pronounced "awf". Oven is pronounced "uvven" unless a "w" is placed in front, then the "o" is pronounced "oh". And that's just the beginning folks.........just the beginning.


16 posted on 08/13/2004 10:50:08 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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ALARUM, WO IST MEIN WORTERBUCH? And my umlaut key, too. Wir sind los!
17 posted on 08/13/2004 10:52:23 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: Calvin Locke
Wasn't QWERTY originally designed to slow down typists enough so as to allow the mechanically levered typewriters to work without jamming?

DA

18 posted on 08/13/2004 10:55:55 PM PDT by GeronL (KERRY: "I went to Cambodia with the CIA and all I got was a hat")
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To: Calvin Locke

Pretty much every language has it's own keyboard to go with their fonts.

19 posted on 08/13/2004 10:56:58 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter

Does this mean that the next time they decide to take over the world, nobody will be able to understand them and just laugh and humilate them into surrendering?

"Gott in Hiemmel! How can ve be der Master Race if no von understands us, da?"

"Vat zat you zay, Fritz?"

"Vat you zay, Hermann?"


20 posted on 08/13/2004 11:19:22 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (I'll put George W. Bush's four years in office over Kerry's four months in Vietnam any time!)
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