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School-to-Work" is alive and well! {EVIL "Education"}
Eco-Logic / PowerHouse ^ | Posted; 8/14/2004 | Michael J. Chapman

Posted on 08/14/2004 11:00:11 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park

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All, Additional reading concerning the EVIL of education today is Charlotte Iserbyt's 'The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America.'. Peace and love, George.
1 posted on 08/14/2004 11:00:12 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

Yes, in other words this group is advocating that children be guided not to work, or to eventually find work they do not find interesting or stimulating.

Unhappy workers leads to inefficiency, but as long as the state had no part in helping them realize their potential... Then it must be okay.


2 posted on 08/14/2004 11:11:23 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: Stand Watch Listen; farmfriend; editor-surveyor; Willie Green; DoughtyOne; sauropod
"Minnesota has increased its emphasis on core academic skills at the expense of workplace skills."
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Guys,And, THIS is a major problem to our educational "leaders". Our schools must become "training" facillities rather than bastions of education. The idea is to train children as we do dogs and ponies rather than educate them. What passes for education today is STONE COLD "EVIL"!!! Please bump this. Peace and love, George.
3 posted on 08/14/2004 11:14:34 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

My husband subscribes to EdWatch's emails. Very worth getting..


4 posted on 08/14/2004 11:25:02 AM PDT by Trillian
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To: coconutt2000
"Unhappy workers leads to inefficiency,"

C2, Workers are happier when they can choose their own line of work or profession. Well educated people can do most anything. Include think. That must not be allowed in our new world order. "They" will think for US. This is EVIL!! Peace and love, George.

5 posted on 08/14/2004 11:25:23 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
I live in MN and what the schools are doing these days would be considered a crime when I was in school 20 yrs ago. My nephew is in a W.V. school (home of former gov. Gaston Caperton... big goals 2000 nut) and they are required to do so many hours during the school year of 'forced' volunteerism in a career field that you want to pursue. I'm in my 30's and am changing careers, I know I had no clue what I wanted to do for a career in the 9th grade. Anyway i told him to tell the school a career path that was outrageous, obsurd, and undesirable... he is going to let me know what that is next week after school starts.
6 posted on 08/14/2004 11:28:26 AM PDT by Conservative4Life (Vote Conservative, or don't bother voting at all....)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
I am a bit confused what are you outraged about? These vocational jobs are the jobs of the future. In our service based economy we need plumbers and mechanics. Perhaps throw in some entrepreneurial skills .
7 posted on 08/14/2004 11:28:54 AM PDT by PersonalLiberties (An honest politician is one who, when he's bought, stays bought. -Simon Cameron, political boss)
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T, So is Eco Logic Powerhouse. They have a new online edition twice a month and send email notification. They're GREAT! Peace and love, George.
8 posted on 08/14/2004 11:30:44 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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The idea is to train children as we do dogs and ponies rather than educate them. What passes for education today is STONE COLD "EVIL"!!! Please bump this. Peace and love, George

That says it all!

9 posted on 08/14/2004 11:31:32 AM PDT by c-b 1
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To: PersonalLiberties

By the way I agree the forced determination is wrong. Remembering back to when I learned about the old Soviet Union in school. We were taught how at a young age you took a test. This test then determined the type of education you got and what your career would be. Garbage man or doctor based on a test you took at 10? Is this the path we are not headed?

I did not read the whole article before responding. And was thinking wow, my husband and I sure could have benefitted from free vocational education. But now reading it it sounds more like the USSR


10 posted on 08/14/2004 11:32:56 AM PDT by PersonalLiberties (An honest politician is one who, when he's bought, stays bought. -Simon Cameron, political boss)
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"These vocational jobs are the jobs of the future."

PL, Also the jobs of the past and present. People who can read and write and do some mathmatics have always been good and better at them as well as other professions. We need to educate children rather than train them as we do dogs and horses and apes. I have had highly placed officials tell me that "Truck drivers don't have to know how to read. They can use their computers". And, we are teaching children how to use calculators and punch symbols in order to get answers to problems. Leading to the pictures on MacDonalds cash registers. This rather than teaching the "Three Rs". And politically appointed bureaucrats will decide what professions each student is "suitable" for. This is stone cold EVIL!!! Peace and love, George.

11 posted on 08/14/2004 11:42:40 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: PersonalLiberties
"But now reading it it sounds more like the USSR"

PL, YUP!! Except, of course, "We'll do it right". Peace and love, George.

12 posted on 08/14/2004 11:45:53 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

In that system that is devolving, Newton would of been shelved into a farmer.
Right, we are going to import all of our Engineerrgs and Scientists.


13 posted on 08/14/2004 12:04:57 PM PDT by John Will
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To: Born Conservative

Ping


14 posted on 08/14/2004 1:12:46 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
What were those guys called in Brave New World? Oh yeah, Gammas, Deltas, and Epsilons. Fact, meet fiction.
15 posted on 08/14/2004 1:35:23 PM PDT by philman_36
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Please. Before we do anymore pummeling of the public school system, think about what you are saying. Go visit schools in your community. I teach "career investigation" at a local high school. Students research and explore careers that are currently in the U.S. system. All careers are in "clusters". Students take interest tests to determine what may fit their abilities and interests. They job shadow a person in the field of their choice and report on that field to their classmates. Yes, there are some students who still have difficulty identifying a possible field of interest for themselves, but those students typcially have many interests. If my figures are correct, the class may save them 40k. In my years of teaching, I have observed that many college bound students drop out of college after 2 years because they haven't found a direction. The counseling programs at the college level are non existant. I'm proud to be providing a service to these kids through this course. I'm not saying that these students are locked into a career from my course, but it gives them a direction to follow. It's better to expose them to all the choices that are available to them now than to have them fumble blindly. My students are going every career direction possible. A side note: I wish I had a family member as a plumber. After my last visit by a plumber (I was surprised that it was a former student), my bill topped out at $100/hour! I can't make that kind of money as a teacher!


16 posted on 08/14/2004 1:36:55 PM PDT by jcmfreedom
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After my last visit by a plumber (I was surprised that it was a former student), my bill topped out at $100/hour! I can't make that kind of money as a teacher!
But what if that plumber only gets your one call all week? And how long did it take the plumber to finish the job? One hour? Two at most? That would be $200 for the whole week. And the plumber himself, unless he's self employed, only gets part of that $100/hour. The lion's share goes to who he is working for.
Do you want to make that kind of money? Kind of puts a new light on it doesn't it.
17 posted on 08/14/2004 1:44:19 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

Looks like an excellent article, George. Saving to read after the storm.

STW is definitely another plank in the communist take-over of this country. Many of our rulers have worked tirelessly hand in hand with the global money-changers across all spectrums toward this goal.

'The President of the Ford Foundation, Rowan Gaither, told Norman Dodd, the Research Director of the 1953 congressional committee to investigate the tax-exempt leftwing foundations, that the foundations received their instructions from the White House to spend their money so that the United States could be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union.'

Other related articles:

WHY ARE THE NEW FANGLED TESTS CALLED ASSESSMENTS? THE ANSWER IS SHOCKING...Is Your Child Human Capital? Yes, According to the Architects of the New Global Economy. ? [Your child's worth is equated with how much their parasite masters can potentially skim off their lifetime earnings in taxes.] http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/bless/childcap.htm

Executive Order No. 13037
COMMISSION TO STUDY CAPITAL BUDGETING http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo13037.htm

Are you noticing how elected school boards are being disbanded in favor of boards appointed from the corporations? They outsource the best jobs, and let us pay to train our kids to do the menial labor they can't hire out. A few years back, I read where Utah was taking the kids out of class to be trained in cleaning the sewer lines, in connection with STW. Somebody has to do it, but don't use tax dollars for it and call it 'education'. Federal government has no business in education. None. They want our kids younger and younger in order to indoctrinate them in being dutiful little communists before they are old enough to read. DC tried to make it mandatory to put all 2 1/2 year-olds in school. Enough is enough.


18 posted on 08/14/2004 1:59:46 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

About five years ago, my state decided that all juniors and seniors in the public schools would devote one day of school to a School-to-Work program (20% of their school week). If they chose not to do this, they would be required to work on their own time -- vacations and week-ends. Required, not voluntary.

People raised hell about it and the plan was abandoned. Most parents feel the public school's mission is to impart academic knowledge to students and that students will decide what they want to do for a living when they want to.


19 posted on 08/14/2004 2:29:00 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

Any idiot could have seen this coming when the wholesale renaming of personnel departments was changed to "Human Resources."


20 posted on 08/14/2004 2:33:38 PM PDT by Old Professer (The harbor master is largely unconcerned with the direction of the tide - only its amplitude.)
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