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To: areafiftyone
I'm also curious as to the breakdown of Dem, Rep, Other in this poll. I didn't see it listed here or on Zogsauce's website.
10 posted on 08/15/2004 12:39:02 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (I Annoy Buchananites)
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To: COEXERJ145
I'm also curious as to the breakdown of Dem, Rep, Other in this poll.

It's better than most polls. If we treat each group as 1/3rd of the electorate, then the 18-point Kerry lead among independents would give Kerry a 6-point lead. Bush's 86% support among Republicans vs. Kerry's 79% support among Dems would lead to a net gain of 4% for Bush (that's a 7-point difference in margin among 2/3rds of the electorate, that's over 4 points in Bush's direction).

So without any weighting of Dems over Republicans, his poll should show a 2-point Kerry lead. It shows a 4-point lead, which indicates a slight imbalance in favor of the Dems. He probably polled about 4% more Dems than Republicans.

24 posted on 08/15/2004 12:48:54 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: COEXERJ145

This is what they're saying over at the Atlas Forum abuot this poll. The guy who goes by the user name "The Vorlon" is very VERY good at breaking down the internals of polls to say whether they are valid or not. But Zogby guards his internals so tight that all he could do was guestimate based on the info he had. Anyways here is what he said:



"http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=851

The self-discribed "worlds most accurate pollsters" has a new effort out for our consideration.

Bush's job approval went from -12 (44/56) to -5 (47/52) - a 7% improvement.

Zogby ask's his job approval question differently than other pollsters, so while the trend line is useful, the absolute value he finds is not directly comparable to other pollsters.

"Deserves to be re-elected" stays virtually the same at -10, versus -9 in his last poll.

Zogby finds that Kerry leads 49% to 31% among Independents.

Zogby guards his methodology in terms of weightings and other factors more tightly than Col Sanders guards his 11 different herbs & spices so I cannot offer any meaning comment on this poll.






A Zogby is always an adventure to try to figure out, but doing the best I can... I get the following....

He says Kerry leads among independants by 49 to 31, so independants must have 20% undecided, with undecideds at 6% for the entire sample, this implies Independants could be no more than about 20% of the sample (???)

Bush gets 86% of the GOP voters, while Kerry gets 79% of Dem voters (Both values a bit low versus other polls)

Kerry leads 54-37 in the blue States (+17)
Bush Leads 47/41 in the red states states (-6)

Since he sites 6% undecided in both Red and blue states (versus 7% in his 3 way result) I will assume he breakouts refer to the 2 way race.

With only 6% of the entire sample undecided, and 20% of independants undecided I can take a admittedly "wild guess" at party ID in this poll at:

47% Dem
34% GOP
19% Independants.

If his breakouts are actually on the 3 way race (Kerry 47/ Bush 43) then the party ID breakout would be:

Dem 41
GOP 34
Ind 25

which is a little more reasonable - I am thinking based on this his breakout MUST be the three way, because 47/34 is just plain LA Times silly.

Again, these party ID break outs are GUESSES... no warranty expressed or implied

A zogby poll is a leap of faith... you believe it, or you don't....

There is just not enough internal data to make an educated guess one way or the other"


56 posted on 08/15/2004 5:07:52 PM PDT by Nascardude
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