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KERRY-TALE: No. 2 - He only had a 50-caliber machine gun to use against people
8-18-04 | dfu

Posted on 08/18/2004 7:46:34 PM PDT by doug from upland

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To: Phantom Lord

I think the only explanation Kerry has is that he is twins.


21 posted on 08/18/2004 8:30:13 PM PDT by doug from upland (John Kerry is a sports fan like Lorena Bobbitt is a surgeon)
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To: opbuzz
I have never been in the military, but I have used firearms all my life. I suspect that carrying muzzle down in a combat, especially jungle situation could easily lead to foreign objects in the barrel. I personally had a gun explode like in a cartoon from that once.

But carrying a firearm around in a civilian setting where there is not debris that could easily enter the barrel, along with no fear of the firearm being pointed at someone, barrel down would seem fine.

22 posted on 08/18/2004 8:30:18 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Phantom Lord

That boy just ain't right. Hunting deer with a shotgun would land his butt in jail in Texas. Okay, being a flaming lib from Mass. is enough to land his butt in jail.


23 posted on 08/18/2004 8:33:19 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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To: Phantom Lord

just doesn't seem like a very clean kill


24 posted on 08/18/2004 8:34:41 PM PDT by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here.)
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To: Optimist
just doesn't seem like a very clean kill

I've never had a problem. And its a hell of a lot better than having to track the damn thing for hours sometimes when you go out with a bow. Sometimes having to call of the search because of darkness, leaving the thing to suffer and roam until death.

25 posted on 08/18/2004 8:37:14 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Army Air Corps
Hunting deer with a shotgun would land his butt in jail in Texas.

And using a rifle in many states and areas within states would land your butt in jail. I have 75 acres in Coventry NY (a little outside of Binghamton) and we must use shotguns. But, travel a little further north and you enter "rifle country" where you can use either a shotgun or a rifle.

And for fun, my uncle will hunt deer with a handgun sometimes!

26 posted on 08/18/2004 8:39:20 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Optimist

Dang right it is not clean. You would have to get very, very close to kill a deer with a shogun. You can do it with fowl due to their size where shotgun damage can kill effectively if you are a good shot.


27 posted on 08/18/2004 8:39:57 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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To: Phantom Lord

Lemme get this straight, NY State has shotgun only areas? Who drafted that legislation and why? In Texas, it is just a big no-no to hunt large game with a shotgun. Last time that I checked our hunting laws, we do not have any such zones where certain types of firearms are restricted for hunting purposes. On the other hand, spotlighting deer is a straight ticket to jail.


28 posted on 08/18/2004 8:44:11 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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To: TexasCowboy

ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa


29 posted on 08/18/2004 8:44:15 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: opbuzz

Hi,
There is a big difference between muzzle down and dragging the muzzle in the mud. A muzzle down by a security person is on dry flooring/pavement/concrete, and it NEVER hits the ground.
Notice the angle he is carrying it. It is behind him. That would destroy the forward site. If the muzzle hits the ground, it gets filled with mud and the next time he fires the weapon it will explode in his face.


30 posted on 08/18/2004 8:55:14 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (So many questions for Kerry - so few answers from Kerry)
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To: Army Air Corps
Lemme get this straight, NY State has shotgun only areas? Who drafted that legislation and why?

Yes it does. Who drafted it? I have no idea. But as I understand it, the reason is because these areas have population centers and rifle rounds can easily carry into them where a shotgun slug is going no more than 100 yards.

31 posted on 08/18/2004 8:55:19 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Army Air Corps
You would have to get very, very close to kill a deer with a shogun. You can do it with fowl due to their size where shotgun damage can kill effectively if you are a good shot.

A single pellet of 00 Buck (There's a reason for the name) weighs 54 grains.

Or use slugshot - 427 grains, 960 ft/sec @ 100 yds

32 posted on 08/18/2004 8:58:32 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: Phantom Lord

Okay. That clears it up. How dense is the population in upstate NYC? Is there a small amount of wide open space or do hunting areas come close to populated areas?


33 posted on 08/18/2004 8:59:29 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Thanks for the tip. I have only used shotguns for dove and quail hunting. I prefer to use an 8mm Mauser, .303 Enfield, or M1 Garand for deer.


34 posted on 08/18/2004 9:01:52 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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To: Army Air Corps

Some areas are heavily populated, others not. Once you get west of West Chester pretty much the entire state is open to hunting with the usual exception of "within city limits".


35 posted on 08/18/2004 9:06:27 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: ProudVet77

Muzzle up Muzzle down, no matter, but I never saw anyone hold their rifle by one hand and that hand on the trigger handle. It doesn't make any sense to hold that way. For purposes of credibility I spent 1 year in Vietnam, mainly as a platoon leader.


36 posted on 08/18/2004 9:07:43 PM PDT by Miami33138
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To: TexasCowboy; MissAmericanPie

The dog is also the smartest one in the picture!


37 posted on 08/18/2004 9:08:54 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,...for without victory there is no survival. -Churchill)
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To: MissAmericanPie

Is he praying, preying or squatting?


38 posted on 08/18/2004 9:11:31 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: Army Air Corps

Entire states like New Jersey are shotgun and bow only for deer


39 posted on 08/18/2004 9:16:53 PM PDT by wasnova
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To: Phantom Lord

Thanks. The only folks who I have met from NY State were from NYC or the surrounding area. I know a guy who is from NYC and is a firearms enthusiast, but he plans to vote for Kerry. My response was, "What the hell is wrong with you? Kerry is a gungrabber extraordinaire and I do not think that he is going to give a personal waiver to you while grabbing everyone else's toys."


40 posted on 08/18/2004 9:19:05 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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