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Kerry's False Report Led to Media Assault, Swift Boat Vet Claims
townhall.com ^ | August 19, 2004 | CNSnews.com

Posted on 08/19/2004 2:00:49 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

CNSNews.com) - A member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has alleged that John Kerry's own report 35 years ago was the basis for the military records that the Washington Post used in an article Thursday seeking to discredit the veteran, Larry Thurlow.

At issue is whether Thurlow, Kerry and others were subjected to hostile gunfire on Vietnam's Bay Hap River on March 13, 1969, as military records obtained by the Washington Post indicate.

Thurlow currently asserts that there was no gunfire, a contradiction of the military records cited in the Washington Post article. The Post was not able to show the source of the information for the military records.

Thurlow believes Kerry wrote the after-action reports that served as the basis for the military records, including the ones applying to Thurlow. He told CNSNews.com that Kerry routinely asked to write the reports, which, Thurlow said, exaggerate and falsify Kerry's actions. He said an examination of those reports reveals that Kerry was often portrayed as a hero, when that wasn't necessarily the case.

"In all honesty, knowing John wasn't reliable and wasn't trustworthy, I didn't expect him to do this," Thurlow said. "If he wanted to embellish his own account a little bit, I could even live with that because a lot of people are that way."

Both Thurlow and Kerry were awarded the Bronze Star medal for their actions on the Bay Hap River.

Kerry's own account is that during the Bay Hap River incident, he rescued another veteran, Jim Rassmann, while coming under fire from the Viet Cong. Rassmann backs up Kerry's version of events. But Thurlow said the awards, including his own, may have been inappropriately handed out as a result of a false report filed by Kerry.

"We were never under hostile fire," Thurlow told CNSNews.com as he recalled the events of March 13, 1969. "And if that's something that has to happen for me to get that Bronze Star, then I have had it all these years under false pretenses. I'll be happy to return the thing. I don't want the thing under fraudulent circumstances."

As reported by the Washington Post, the Navy award recommendation of March 23, 1969, indicated that Thurlow and Kerry had been subjected to "small arms and automatic weapons fire" along the Bay Hap River. Thursday's article in the Post used that statement, included in Thurlow's military records, to contradict Thurlow's current claim that there was no gunfire.

"The hostile fire is based entirely on [Kerry's] report," Thurlow said. "My contention, both then and now, is that there was no hostile fire."

Thurlow continued: "I had no clue, though, that he was building the centerpiece of his run for the presidency on it. There's no way I could have. Despite the fact he was known to have told several people that he was going to be president of the United States when he grew up, anybody could say that. John, it turns out, was very serious."

A spokeswoman for the Kerry campaign didn't immediately return CNSNews.com's request for comment. But Kerry denounced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, of which Thurlow is a member, during a speech Thursday.

"They're a front for the Bush campaign," Kerry said. "And the fact that the president won't denounce what they're up to tells you everything that you need to know - he wants them to do his dirty work."

When asked about the personal attacks he's endured since coming forward, Thurlow expressed disappointment. He said he merely wants to the truth about Kerry to be documented.

"What they're trying to do is discredit us," Thurlow said of the Kerry campaign. "If they can make anyone think we're not factual and not telling the truth, they've won that round."

If he could go back to Vietnam and do anything over again, he said he wouldn't have allowed Kerry to write the after-action reports.

"Back then, John would actually volunteer to write them up," Thurlow said. "He wouldn't be the officer in tactical command very often because he was fairly junior in the sense of who had been in country the longest.

"Nobody wanted to write these things," he added. "You're already drained from hours out on whatever the situation was. You wanted to clean up, get something to eat and get some sleep. John would say, 'I'll write this up.' [We'd say], 'Go for it, John.'

Proving that Kerry falsified reports is difficult, Thurlow acknowledged. He said higher-ranking commanders often gave a rubber-stamp signature to the reports because they trusted their officers to be honest.

"We accepted, whoever did it, to do it accurately," Thurlow said. "I myself expected him to do the right thing. Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have even let him do it. But at that time, I was more than happy to let him do it. I know something now that I did not know then."

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Kerry Says Bush Letting Others Do His Dirty Work (Aug. 19, 2004)

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Unfit for bookstore***The Kerry campaign calls on a conservative publisher to withdraw a book after the Washington Post torpedoes the veracity of a Swift boat veteran.

The Kerry campaign has told Salon that the publisher of "Unfit for Command," the book that is at the center of the attack on Kerry's military record by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, is retailing a hoax and should consider withdrawing it from bookstores. "No publisher should want to be selling a book with proven falsehoods in them, especially falsehoods that are meant to smear the military service of an American veteran," said Kerry campaign spokesman Chad Clanton. "If I were them, I'd be ducking under my desk wondering what to do. This is a serious problem."

Even some uncomfortable Republicans might breathe a sigh a relief if "Unfit for Command" were to vanish from bookstores: "I don't think the Swift Boat Veterans are helping the Republican cause," Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., remarked on CNN Thursday.***

1 posted on 08/19/2004 2:00:50 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

JOhn O'Neill coming up on hannity after 5 PM EDT


2 posted on 08/19/2004 2:02:50 PM PDT by kingattax
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After Action report FReep of 'Kerry Krewman' Del Sandusky Gainesville, FL 8/19/04***....Next speaker was from the Sierra Club. He was introduced as 26 Navy veteran, lifelong Sierra club member, and 30 year Republican, who just changed over to the donkeys because of Bush. He lauded the Panamanians for taking care of the canal since Carter gave it back to them. He too bashed Bush non-stop. ""Keep your shirt on, keep your powder dry, bite your tongue, hold your fire, wait till you see the whites of their eyes..."

Next they showed clips from Comedy Central's 'Daily Show' a fake news parody that takes a lot of fun in guess what? Bashing Bush! The MC told the audience that most young people get their news from the late night comedy and that the host, Jon Stewart deserved a cabinet position in the Kerry administration! They showed 20 minutes (2 clips) from the Daily Show, one of them Clinton was the guest and he smeared the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, said the same old DNC talking points about how it was the same bunch that smeared McCain in 2000... yada, yada, yada. Non-stop Bush bashing. "Keep your shirt on, keep your powder dry, bite your tongue, hold your fire, wait till you see the whites of their eyes..."

Next was 10 minute video of their hero Hanoi John Kerry briefly in Vietnam, very briefly testifying before the Senate, (they didn't feature him saying anything about war crimes - AMAZING!). They repeatedly said how he was EXPERT on foreign policy. "Keep your shirt on, keep your powder dry, bite your tongue, hold your fire, wait till you see the whites of their eyes..." ***

3 posted on 08/19/2004 2:03:08 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: kingattax
JOhn O'Neill coming up on hannity after 5 PM EDT

And he'll also be on Hannity and Colmes tonight on Fox News.

Kerry's people were scheduled but CANCELLED!

4 posted on 08/19/2004 2:04:28 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

My gosh, these people are scum.


5 posted on 08/19/2004 2:04:29 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Let me clarify that. Kerry , Clanton etc. These comments are outrageous. If anyone smears the military, it's Kerry.


7 posted on 08/19/2004 2:06:35 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Lijahsbubbe

John Kerry testifies before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chaired by William Fulbright, in April 1971. Photo UPI

THESE ARE THE WORDS OF JOHN KERRY...

8 posted on 08/19/2004 2:06:40 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Kerry and his mental midgets are just digging themselves a deeper hole. Pretty soon their heads will be sticking out of a hole in Cambodia at the other side of the world!


9 posted on 08/19/2004 2:07:02 PM PDT by silverNblackcuban (Kerry is government's invisible man. Waffle on Mr. Kerry, Waffle on!!!)
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To: Baynative

The web of lies is breaking apart.


10 posted on 08/19/2004 2:07:30 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Essentially, Thurlow saved a boat and their crew... And Kerry saved a soldier who was a passenger on his own boat.


11 posted on 08/19/2004 2:07:57 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What a laugh! No publisher would want to sell a book with falsehoods in it? LOL! Golly! Then they better take Bill and Hill Clinton's book off the shelves!

Democrats are nuts!


12 posted on 08/19/2004 2:08:14 PM PDT by Lopeover
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bttt


13 posted on 08/19/2004 2:08:14 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (If only hamsters could vote........)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Gosh, if the Bush campaign cracked down on publishers of lying Bush-bashing books, the bookstores would be empty.

I love the Democrats' tolerance for freedom of speech.


14 posted on 08/19/2004 2:08:39 PM PDT by GeorgiaMike
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave

BTTT


15 posted on 08/19/2004 2:09:21 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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16 posted on 08/19/2004 2:09:42 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"No publisher should want to be selling a book with proven falsehoods in them, ...

Nonsense! Publishers were happy to sell hillary's Lying Hysterically and bill's My Life.

17 posted on 08/19/2004 2:10:08 PM PDT by VRWCmember (I actually ignored this thread before I posted to it. jfk, 08/2004)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I'll bet you can't find "Unfit" in Barnes and Noble.


18 posted on 08/19/2004 2:10:54 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Already read them... Kerry leaves out the actual action reports, which if they contain his signature as the author... would confirm the allegations by the Swift Vets as having substance.


19 posted on 08/19/2004 2:11:04 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

BUMP


20 posted on 08/19/2004 2:12:56 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What a psycho.


21 posted on 08/19/2004 2:13:08 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Somehow I don't think Christopher Shays does much to help the Republican cause, either.

Its interesting to think back about the early days of the Clinton campaign, the first time out, when whispers of his shenanigans started to surface. The sleight of hand that got him past the draft, for example, and the rumors of infidelity, and the rumors surrounding WhiteWater.

For those of us paying attention, all of that turned out to be the tip of the iceberg in terms of his personal failings, but also was a harbinger of his integrity and focus as President. Had we paid attention, we might have been spared a president who was prepared to sell military technology to the Chinese, and who was prepared to sit on his hands while our enemies leveled attack after attack at us.

Character matters, and a man who can't tell the truth when it doesn't matter isn't going to tell the truth when it does.

A guy who can't show up for intelligence briefings, speaking now of Kerry, is a guy who doesn't take these things seriously. We were saddled in the nineties with a president who couldn't be bothered to deal with national security issues. We don't need to go through that again.


22 posted on 08/19/2004 2:13:59 PM PDT by marron
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Heard Mike Savage last night replay this on his radfio show.

Amazing how much Kerry sounded like Thurston Howell from Gilligan's Island speaking with the clenched molars.

23 posted on 08/19/2004 2:14:46 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Democrat - It's in the dictionary - It's between "delusional" and "dimwit.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What Thurlow is saying reminds me of a similar situation I was involved in. In 1973, I was in the US Air Force, stationed at Eglin AFB in the Florida panhandle. We were engaged in Radar Bomb Scoring--testing the accuracy of computers that, even in those long ago days, were used to zero in on targets. I'd explain more, but then I'd have to kill you. No, I was not under fire in Ft. Walton Beach. But, I was a decent typist, and, in those days before everyone used personal computers, that was a relatively rare skill.

One day, I watched my supervisor as he painfully pecked away on an old Remington, using one finger and a bottle of whiteout. I broke my own code and volunteered to do the typing for him, since watching him was driving me batty and I wasn't doing anything much anyway. Needless to say, the one act of volunteerism developed into a permanent assignment. I really didn't mind--it was better than painting stuff green. Bottom line--I could have put myself in for some serious commendations because I doubt if anyone ever really looked at what I had written. Perhaps a purple heart for that serious paper cut I got. Lost a lot of blood. I remember the date--it is seared, seared in my memory....

24 posted on 08/19/2004 2:15:05 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: coconutt2000

Kerry is a lying scumback who should NEVER be commander in Chief. The Dems know it too.


25 posted on 08/19/2004 2:15:27 PM PDT by Merry
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To: marron
A guy who can't show up for intelligence briefings, speaking now of Kerry, is a guy who doesn't take these things seriously. We were saddled in the nineties with a president who couldn't be bothered to deal with national security issues. We don't need to go through that again.

Poll: Voters Eyeing National Security - Number One Concern*** But Kerry has struggled with stating his position on Iraq, defending his vote authorizing the war while criticizing the Bush administration's conduct of the war and difficulties in postwar Iraq. Democrats say Kerry has a "nuanced position" and Republicans call the Democrat's position a series of flip-flops.***

26 posted on 08/19/2004 2:15:30 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: coconutt2000
Essentially, Thurlow saved a boat and their crew... And Kerry saved a soldier who was a passenger on his own boat.

Who apparently fell off that boat because the captain turned and fled so fast. This is getting good. Reminscient of the old campaigns of the early 1800's.

Kerry fled while good men bled!

27 posted on 08/19/2004 2:15:48 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think the Kerry bomb throwers are out bigtime where books are sold and stores like Costco that carry all the political books being written this season. I called Barnes and Noble, a huge store in north Portland, Oregon and asked if they had the book, Unfit for Command, and I was told they were all sold out. "When will you have it in", I asked. Answer,"We haven't any idea. Would you like to go on the list". I refused but asked " Could you tell me how many books they ordered in this first printing?" Answer, "Twenty five." I couldn't believe my ears. Costco doesn't have the book yet, but may have it later. The week before Clinton's book came out, Costco literally had Clinton's book stacked seven feet high from the table. There must have been hundreds of copies for sale. I have never seen anything like that before, but we all know the Costco CEO is a big Democrat. THere are still a lot of copies for sale and you certainly can't miss that Clinton mug on the cover.


28 posted on 08/19/2004 2:16:23 PM PDT by cousair
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

***smile***


29 posted on 08/19/2004 2:16:59 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
Here's one of mine. ;-)

Kerry wrote stories to gain undeserved glories.

30 posted on 08/19/2004 2:17:16 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If telling the truth is a condition for getting a book on the shelf there should be a WHOLE BUNCH of books pulled such as the Clinton's books!


31 posted on 08/19/2004 2:17:21 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And what the Hell is it with wearing Gomer Pyle fatigues with fruit salad?

What a "Lens-hungry" reprobate.

32 posted on 08/19/2004 2:18:08 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Democrat - It's in the dictionary - It's between "delusional" and "dimwit.")
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....nd asked if they had the book, Unfit for Command, and I was told they were all sold out. "When will you have it in", I asked. Answer,"We haven't any idea. Would you like to go on the list". I refused but asked " Could you tell me how many books they ordered in this first printing?" Answer, "Twenty five." I couldn't believe my ears. ...

Another FReeper told me a similar story but put his name on the list. They called him THAT AFTERNOON and said his copy was waiting for him. A stall? I don't know. Get your name on the list and see.

33 posted on 08/19/2004 2:19:21 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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And what the Hell is it with wearing Gomer Pyle fatigues with fruit salad?

Contempt.

34 posted on 08/19/2004 2:20:22 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: coconutt2000

here is where the actual signed paper copies of the post-action reports snould be:
http://www.history.navy.mil/ar/charlie/coastal12.htm

Naval Historical Center
805 Kidder Breese Street SE
Washington Navy Yard, DC 20374-5060

Records of Coastal Division 12,
1967-1970




Historical Note

Costal Division Twelve was originally PCF Division 102. Its primary mission was to interdict ships from North Vietnam and prevent supply offloading in South Vietnam, with the secondary mission of providing gunfire support for ground troops.

PCF Division 102 deployed from Coronado, California, in December 1965 to Subic Bay, Philippines. Then it established a base of operations in DaNang, Vietnam, on 13 January 1966. Soon after, PCF Division 102 participated in Operation Market Time and was part of Task Group 115.1. It patrolled areas, between the DMZ and the southern I Corps boundary, using Swift Boats. On 1 January 1967, PCF Division 102 changed its name to Costal Division Twelve.

In 1967, Costal Division Twelve participated in these operations listed below:

Operation Market Time
Operation DeSoto
Operation Deckhouse VI
Operation Beacon Hill One
Operation Seahawk
Operation Boone
Operation Canyon
Operation Beau Diddley
Operation Beacon Star
Operation Beau Charger
Operation Bear Claw
Operation Bear Bite
Operation Beacon Torch
Operation Dragon Fire
Operation Ballistic Charge
Operation Beaver Cage
Operation Badger Tooth
Operation Fortress Ridge
In addition, Costal Division Twelve formed Costal Division Sixteen, which lasted from 20 June 1967 to 1 November 1967. The Division continued its participation in Operation Market Time through 1968.

The Division's last complete year of operations was 1969. During this year, it trained the Vietnamese for the eventual turnover of Costal Division Twelve to the South Vietnamese Navy. On 1 March 1970, Costal Division Twelve was to be primarily manned and controlled by the South Vietnamese. In the interim, it participated in several operations:

Operation Market Time
Operation Bold Mariner
Operation Sea Tiger
Operation Daring Rebel

Scope and Content Note

This collection is composed of post patrol reports and spot reports. Post patrol reports told of actions taken on individual patrols while spot reports summarized the division's actions on a particular day. In addition, post patrol reports were given to the division while spot reports were sent to the task group.

The collection is arranged in two series. Series I contains post patrol reports. It is arranged first by area patrolled and then by chronological order. Series II contains spot reports. It is arranged only by chronological order.

Preferred Citation

Records of Coastal Division 12, Operational Archives Branch, Naval Historical Center, Washington, D.C.



Subject Headings (LCSH)

United States. Navy. Coastal Division, 12th.
United States. Navy--Small boat service.
Vietnam Conflict, 1961-1975.
United States. Navy--History--Sources.




Extent

4.0 cubic feet







24 September 2002


35 posted on 08/19/2004 2:21:32 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Thurlow currently asserts that there was no gunfire, a contradiction of the military records cited in the Washington Post article. The Post was not able to show the source of the information for the military records.

Who fed the Post the information...hmmmm could it be Kerry
36 posted on 08/19/2004 2:21:51 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: coconutt2000
Essentially, Thurlow saved a boat and their crew... And Kerry saved a soldier who was a passenger on his own boat.

John O'Neill just said on Hannity's radio program "Those five boats were in a narrow creek (75 yards wide) for an hour and a half and none had bullet holes in them.

37 posted on 08/19/2004 2:25:18 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: jackbill

Lucky bastard... Hannity's show doesn't air live in Hawaii.


38 posted on 08/19/2004 2:26:27 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
CW,

The only appropriate response to this from the Kerry campaign is an extreme fit of laughter

The Kerry campaign has told Salon that the publisher of "Unfit for Command," the book that is at the center of the attack on Kerry's military record by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, is retailing a hoax and should consider withdrawing it from bookstores. "No publisher should want to be selling a book with proven falsehoods in them, especially falsehoods that are meant to smear the military service of an American veteran," said Kerry campaign spokesman Chad Clanton. "If I were them, I'd be ducking under my desk wondering what to do. This is a serious problem."

Then while wiping away the tears from one's eyes say, "And this is coming from Kerry? You know the guy - Kerry - who went before congress and the American people and told what could only be called "falsehoods that are meant to smear the military service of [more than] an American veteran, [but the American military as a whole]" .

Then you ask, "Man oh man, doesn't this Kerry know that the first thing you do when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging?" And again burst into a gale of laughter.

It's time to humilate him with laughter.

RileyD, nwJ

39 posted on 08/19/2004 2:28:46 PM PDT by RileyD, nwJ ("Only the humble are sane." anon)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
You mean "that the shrapnel-sharp edge of the razor-thin paper pierced the skin to a depth below the sub-cutaneous thereby unleashing a flow of blood from the severed capillaries if not veins and arteries and required immediate withdrawal from the piercing object to avoid further life threatening loss of blood?"
40 posted on 08/19/2004 2:29:21 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (When it came to Intelligence, Kerry was absent)
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To: jackbill

>>>John O'Neill just said on Hannity's radio program "Those five boats were in a narrow creek (75 yards wide) for an hour and a half and none had bullet holes in them.

Should Thurlow give back his Bronze Star?


41 posted on 08/19/2004 2:29:56 PM PDT by NC28203
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....It's time to humilate him with laughter.

I agree but I had to pick myself up off the floor first - I can't believe the arrogance and entitlement mentality of these people. It's the LIBERAL pathology.***If you were active in the so-called "peace" movement or in the radical wing of the civil rights causes, why would you tell the truth? Why would you tell people that no, you weren't really a "peace activist," except in the sense that you were against America's war. Why would you draw attention to the fact that while you called yourselves "peace activists," you didn't oppose the Communists' war, and were gratified when America's enemies won?

What you were really against was not war at all, but American "imperialism" and American capitalism. What you truly hated was America's democracy, which you knew to be a "sham" because it was controlled by money in the end. That's why you wanted to "Bring the Troops Home," as your slogan said. Because if America's troops came home, America would lose and the Communists would win. And the progressive future would be one step closer.

But you never had the honesty-then or now-to admit that. You told the lie then to maintain your influence and increase your power to do good (as only the Chosen can). And you keep on telling the lie for the same reason. ***

42 posted on 08/19/2004 2:33:07 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It appears that maybe,just maybe,an adult in the Kerry camp has read Unfit For Command,and realizes that this book is BIG TROUBLE. In addition,after Mr. Thurlow's immediate return of fire today,the Kerryites are wary of Swiftboat mines in the water.I believe the Swifties have much more ammo (Alston,Lehman,etc.)and are just waiting for the right occasion to blast away.


43 posted on 08/19/2004 2:33:50 PM PDT by Bob from De
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To: NC28203

He has offered to do so. I say, sure. It's a sign of good faith.


44 posted on 08/19/2004 2:36:52 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: Bob from De; All
Yes it does. Be sure to watch John O'Neill Hannity and Colmes tonight. 9PM EST on Fox News!
45 posted on 08/19/2004 2:38:24 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: coconutt2000

I'm listening on streaming audio from WABC in NY. Of course, I'm on cable so I'm not tying up a phone line.


46 posted on 08/19/2004 2:40:56 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Interesting...I will!!


47 posted on 08/19/2004 2:42:55 PM PDT by cousair
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To: NC28203
Should Thurlow give back his Bronze Star?

Why should he? Seems like everybody there recognizes his "meritorious" service in jumping aboard the damaged boat, stabilizing the wounded and keeping the boat from sinking. That's what he thought that he got the Bronze Star for.

I've seen people get a Bronze Star for far less, like doing a good job keeping paperwork.

The difference, of course, is whether or not his has a "V" for valor. That's not clear. Kerry's does, and it appears that since he wrote the spot report, he probably didn't deserve the "V".

Certain instances, like if the boat was on fire and in danger of exploding, would justify a "V" for Thurlow, even in the absence of enemy fire.

48 posted on 08/19/2004 2:46:28 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: NC28203

No because he showed real valor in coming to the rescue of the mined boat.


49 posted on 08/19/2004 2:49:14 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

* bump * Swiftees are riding high.


50 posted on 08/19/2004 2:55:44 PM PDT by Cboldt
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