Posted on 08/20/2004 12:25:53 PM PDT by goodnesswins
Claim: John Kerry's Vietnam War service medals (a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts) were earned under "fishy" circumstances.
Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet 2004]
(Excerpt) Read more at snopes.com ...
OK, so snopes.com just lost any credibility in my book. I could have respected an answer that it undetermined, but to flatly say it is false is just silly considering how well documented and how many witnesses claim otherwise.
is this an arm of the democratic party like factcheck.org ?
They'll get to it. It'll say that the allegations are a political attack from a Republican, so they must be false. And, the Swiftees have recanted their story, see Boston Globe for proof.
See how easy that is?
If Snopes is not able to properly vet the charges against Kerry, it should not comment on them. It's that simple.
snopes leans left whenever something political is mentioned.
Here's there methodology:
Claim: John Kerry isn't the hero he'd like you to believe.
Story: Dozens and dozens of people who served with john kerry say he's a phony, and jimmied the system to get medals and awards he didnt' deserve.
John Kerry says that's not true.
Conclusion: Since john kerry says it's not true, these claims are false.
Snopes is a Leftist site, run by Leftist sympathizers, who use their skepticism to advance their Leftist agenda.
They have gone to great lengths attempting to de-bunk the Clinton Body Count, and have actually linked to a Bush body count in its narrative.
During the combat phase of Iraqi Freedom, the Leftist founders of Snopes came out and stated their opposition against the war, the troops, and especially President Bush.
I will not give these Leftists the Web hit they so desperately need.
Snopes is run by two libs.
From Insight Magazine:
Online Rumor Mill Spins Its Own Myth(Snopes.com's leftwing bias undercuts its credibility)
I'm very surprised that snoopes would simply take the word of Kerry and his supporters that the charges were false.
I suppose then OJ is innocent, Clinton did not have sex with that woman, and Rush never obtained drugs illegally...
From Snopes:
According to the Boston Globe, this was the only one of Kerry's three Purple Heart injuries that caused him to miss any days of service:
Kerry had been wounded three times and received three Purple Hearts. Asked about the severity of the wounds, Kerry said that one of them cost him about two days of service, and that the other two did not interrupt his duty. "Walking wounded," as Kerry put it. A shrapnel wound in his left arm gave Kerry pain for years. Kerry declined a request from the Globe to sign a waiver authorizing the release of military documents that are covered under the Privacy Act and that might shed more light on the extent of the treatment Kerry needed as a result of the wounds.
Back in 1969, Navy regulations specified that any soldier wounded in combat three times be automatically reassigned away from a combat zone to an assignment of his choosing (unless the thrice-wounded soldier specifically requested to stay). Four days after Kerry took his third hit of shrapnel, Commodore Charles F. Horne, an administrative official and commander of the coastal squadron in which Kerry served, forwarded a request on Kerry's behalf to the Navy Bureau of Personnel asking that Kerry be reassigned to "duty as a personal aide in Boston, New York, or Washington, D.C." Soon afterwards Kerry was transferred to Cam Ranh Bay to await further orders, and within a month he had been reassigned as a personal aide and flag lieutenant to Rear Admiral Walter F. Schlech, Jr. with the Military Sea Transportation Service based in Brooklyn, New York.
Kerry served with Admiral Schlech until the end of 1969, when he requested an early discharge from the Navy in order to run for a Massachusetts congressional seat. Admiral Schlech approved the request, and on 3 January 1970 Kerry received an honorable discharge, six months early.
Last updated: 19 February 2004
Why did they ever have any in the first place?
Snopes is run by a husband and wife team who were pro-Clinton and have a clear liberal bias.
They've never had any credibility when it comes to politics.
The leftists have no sense when it comes to self-preservation. They'll jump on board any train heading for a wreck if they think it will forward the agenda.
Snopes has once again been exposed.
I wrote about this some time ago on this thread. I think I had a decent argument and a nice compare/contrast example. There were some replies to my comments and subsequent discussion as well.
Haven't checked the rest. Nor do I remember then saying squat at the time about Iraq. Do you have a specific link?
This was my message to Snopes:
To be honest, you should no longer draw a conclusion regarding the honesty of John Kerry regarding his service in Vietnam.
At the very least, his claim to have spent Christmas in Cambodia is incredible, impossible, internally inconsistent (Nixon was not yet sworn in, and not able give any order much less lie about it), and it was repeated over and over by Kerry himself, indicating a serious inability to separate reality from his own myth-making.
Is this serious? Admiral Jeremy Boorda fatally shot himself in the chest rather than face reporters who knew his "V" for valor was not earned. This is the same device Kerry claims to have for his Silver Star. A "V" is not awarded in connection with a Silver Star.
What you've shown is that the Snopes site pre-dated the Swifties' allegations, is that right? I wonder how committed Snopes is to "updating" its information based on the ADMISSION that the "Christmas in Cambodia" fantasy sKerry has been spinning for over two decades was false.
Yeah, right. I thought so.
Snopes claims the Terror in the Skies (Flight 327) is false also.
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