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Posted on 08/21/2004 7:35:01 PM PDT by freedom44
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Thermopylae - On my places of must see before I die.
Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, that here obedient to their laws we lie. -- Simonides - Epitath on the monument marking the Battle of Thermopylae
The Spartans:
The World of the Warrior-Heroes of Ancient Greece,
from Utopia to Crisis and Collapse
by Paul Cartledge
Are you saying that the PERSIAN Empire was a threat to WESTERN Culture and Civilization?
I hope you are not!
The Battle of Salamis, along with Thermoplyae and Marathon, saved democracy from being smothered n the cradle by Xerxes.
"Are you saying that the PERSIAN Empire was a threat to WESTERN Culture and Civilization?"
Of course...why are you confused about that?
A favorite quote from Herodotus in his Histories talks about the bravery and spunk of the Greeks:
"Although extraordinary valor was displayed by the entire corps of Spartans and Thespians, yet bravest of all was declared the Spartan Dienekes. It is said that on the eve of battle, he was told by a native of Trachis that the Persian archers were so numerous that, when they fired their volleys, the mass of arrows blocked out the sun. Dienekes, however, quite undaunted by this prospect, remarked with a laugh, 'Good. Then we'll have our battle in the shade.'"
First becuz you are wrong! 2nd becuz you are dead wrong! and 3rd WE TAUGHT THE WORLD how to live peacefully and we were the first to declare the Human Rights as a basic need for every one in the world...
Whenever Persian kings invaded little greece, they helped them learn more things and help them be educated!
we taught you how to sit on furnitures. (If you have furniture at your home!)
We educate you how to respect each other
And Moreover
your knowledge of history is completely bad. You should learn more on this topic!
Ask me if you wanna know more!
And dont be so happy!
Persian Empire ruled half of the world for 1500 years from China to Rome! ;-)
Some very very very small scale victories over the Persians are not that important!
It's really difficult to declare the Greeks the West and the Persians the East at the time. The only concept that could possibily seperate them is the later embraced concept of Democracy in Greece, but even their idea of Democracy wasn't a representative one we have.
Persians were probably actually closer to the west because they were monotheist Zoroastrian while the Greeks were worshipping several mythological Gods.
Herodotus ...
The biggest liar of the world! You are totally naive if you believe his lies.
Calm down...friend. Have you actually read Herodotus? Doubtful.
His sources were many but among them were from Greeks living and working in Persia at the time. Do you know that Herodotus wrote some beautiful passsges about the Persians? It is your choice to dismiss the greatest historian of all...a flawed choice if you do.
Herodotus, while praising the democracy of Athens and the Greeks, testifies to the comparative purity of Persian lives, their honesty and heroism in war, the simplicity of their habits, to their industry and thrift in struggling with the natural obstacles of poor soil and difficult terrain and to their love of agricultural pursuits, etc.
There is a reason why the Greeks were among the first to embrace Christianity not to mention that the earliest compendium of the writings of the disciples and apostles of Jesus was written in Greek. Take a look at what Plato writes in the 350's BC in "Timaeus". It could be something from the NT. Notice he uses the term "Creator" "Dimiourgos" = the Ancient Greek for Creator used today for God/Jesus Christ.
"Let me tell you then why the creator made this world of generation. He was good, and the good can never have any jealousy of anything. And being free from jealousy, he desired that all things should be as like himself as they could be. This is in the truest sense the origin of creation and of the world, as we shall do well in believing on the testimony of wise men: God desired that all things should be good and nothing bad, so far as this was attainable. Wherefore also finding the whole visible sphere not at rest, but moving in an irregular and disorderly fashion, out of disorder he brought order, considering that this was in every way better than the other. Now the deeds of the best could never be or have been other than the fairest; and the creator, reflecting on the things which are by nature visible, found that no unintelligent creature taken as a whole was fairer than the intelligent taken as a whole; and that intelligence could not be present in anything which was devoid of soul. For which reason, when he was framing the universe, he put intelligence in soul, and soul in body, that he might be the creator of a work which was by nature fairest and best. Wherefore, using the language of probability, we may say that the world became a living creature truly endowed with soul and intelligence by the providence of God."
A Persian always stays calm... I am fine!
Well, I have read his book on Salamis battle 10 times, I guess! ( Check my profile for my name )
For instance one of his biggest lies about Persians is that Xerxes lashed the waters of Black Sea... You know that Water, Fire and Sun are sacred for the Persians.
They never did this!
And I will try to find a critic book on Herodotus lies written by an Iranian professor living in Europe.
We had Persian historians and Books but all of them destroyed by Arabs during their invasion 1400 yrs ago so it is hard for Persians to prove what is true.
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