Dozens on the two other threads on the same article.
Whovever they have listed in the gunners well, I believe is wrong. Should be Gardner. He said he was with kerry during kerrys entire vietnam trip.
The American voting public can be divided into two groups: those who are old enough to remember Vietnam, and those who aren't.
Those who aren't, are really, really, really, REAAAaalllly bored with Kerry for getting himself mired in something they wouldn't know how to care about even if they wanted to.
Those who are, can be divided into two groups: those who just want to forget about Vietnam, and those who don't.
Those who do, are really, really, really, REAAAaalllly peeved with Kerry for reminding them of something they just wish they could forget about.
Those who don't, can be divided into two groups: those who approve - for whatever reason or reasons - of Kerry's involvement in Vietnam, and those who don't.
Those who approve, are the only group of voters whom Kerry and the old media and everyone else (and that includes the Swift Boat veterans) are **NOT** alienating from Kerry by trying to turn the 2004 election into a referendum on Vietnam (and in the case of the Swift Boat veterans, I'm sure they're doing it deliberately, because the poisonous little toad has just delivered himself right into their hands).
Anyone care to guess on how the numbers fall out, w/r/t how many people are going "positive" on Kerry, based on the above breakdown, vs. how many are going "negative"????
Just keep it up, ketchup boy... nice move, standing up there and yelling VIETNAM VIETNAM VIETNAM VIETNAM!! over and over. Unfortunately for you, you sorry sack of schumer, you made the worst kind of enemy you could possibly have made, during and after Vietnam: American combat veterans. Then, instead of keeping your mouth shut and forcing them to go on the offensive and then just ignoring them, which *might* have allowed you to salvage your credibility with the electorate, you ran right out and started braying about your "Vietnam Service" - and ran right into the ambush. Now, your fellow veterans whom you betrayed, have got you right where they've wanted you for the last 30 years: exposed and surrounded. As the old Rumanian proverb goes, "Every bird dies by his tongue".
I'm really glad you opened your arrogant yuppie yap and screwed yourself. I love watching liberals squirming like rats, impaled on the truth.
notice the description on the graphic on #6 in this one it says mine detonated by vc in foxhole on the other threads it just says detonated by boat...so which is correct, or are they adding the guy in the foxhole to try and make an enemy present? Mines could be detonated by contact or remotely..but since it was the first boat through most likely by contact IMO...which description was later?
Ping
Great graphic of March 13, '69 Swift boat action posted in today's Washington Post. Can you see any errors?
The truth about Kerry's Vietnam experiences are important simply because the truth needs to be told. There is no doubt there are a lot of holes in his story and that he is drastically inflating or outright lying about his experiences. But, there is an equally important element. Kerry's campaign is in serious trouble. Regardless of where this story is a month from now, he has wasted valuable time and resources on this issue. Instead of attacking Bush he is defending himself. This is a total loser for Kerry no matter how this issue ends up.
ping to myself for reading tomorrow
This proves one thing regardless what happened to Kerry's Boat, he was running and would have kept going if not for Rassy being overboard.
Notice on the map that Kerry's boat is by itself on the top. Rassman says he was diving to the bottom of the river to avoid the other boats. Why?
I suspect he was diving to avoid the gunfire he ASSUMED was coming from the shore, but, in reality, was the suppression fire from the other boats.
He may have been afraid of being mistaken for an enemy combatant since Kerry had left him by himself [which is substantiated by the map!].
Where is the hard starboard turn of PFC-94?
"Are there any discrepancies in this Washinton Post article? I think there is some discrepancy as to which boat Rasmussen started out on. How about the rest of Kerry's crew - Is is properly listed?"
There was no fire fight at the village, read the lies here in Kerry's official records and Rassman's own words.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1196649/posts
Kerry then went on to write the report the way the Boston Globe is reporting it because that's what the official story is. The Swift Vets are telling a different tale, and their story hasn't changed since it broke.
If the ambush was on the left side of the river, and Rassmann was dumped on the right side, more distance from most likely site of ambushers, -IF- any were firing.
THe graphic is indefinite as to the point Rassmann fell off. It shows striking a mine "some distance" downstream. I think Kerry lost Rassman with a sudden maneubver of some sort, accelleration or turn.
Nitpicky, point "9" labeled "advances until ... " is located at a point where he is no longer advancing
PCF-43 also moved in to assist PCF-3
PCF-3 circled, under power but without helm, after being mined. THurlow jumped from PCF-51 to PCF-3 to lend aid to the incapacitated crew.
The graphic omits mention of the time after the ambush, until the damaged PCF-3 was towed clear.
The picture of the crew of PCF-94 is not dated, it should be.
Kerry accidentally wounds himself WHILE trying to destroy the rice (the rice-butt injury, and as far as we know, the only shrapnel in his PH report for the day).
I'm sure there are more.
If he fell off the boat and then they turned it around to go back for him did Kerry drive the boat and then jump down and then pull him out of the water too?
Couldn't Rassman tread water for a minute until the other boats arrived?
The swift vets story and the others said another boat was hit with the mine not kerry's?
They left that part out too. A very convenient omission.
"Are there any discrepancies in this Washinton Post article?"
This article confirms that Kerry got his butt "wound" from a self inflicted grenage toss at a rice bin early in the day. Since the bump on his arm (as he gunned his boat to flee the mine explosion) did not draw blood, the only injury eligible for a purple heart that day (the rice in the butt) did not occurr as a result of enemy action (Unless he recieved two wounds at different times in the same day, in the same place).
This article, therefore, proves that Kerry did not deserve his third purple heart.
I actually did push Jim Rassmann out of the boat and into the water, before I pulled him out.
#25: Where is the hard starboard turn of PFC-94?
#18: Kerry has previously said Rassman was on another boat, Rassman has said he was on Kerry's boat. The second mine was IMO cover for hightailing it..elswhere it is reported Kerry hit his own wake and slipped on shell casings on the deck falling and injuring his arm (bruise) I believe Kerry with Sandusky at the wheel took off when the first mine blew
#6: How many versions is Rassman going to tell on this. This is his version at the convention. Was he on Kerry's boat or not?
#3: Whovever they have listed in the gunners well, I believe is wrong. Should be Gardner. He said he was with kerry during kerrys entire vietnam trip.
#26: There was no fire fight at the village, read the lies here in Kerry's official records and Rassman's own words.
#42: The Washington Post also neglected to mention that the ammo consumption report negates the possibility of the extensive firefight Kerry reported..
#45: This article confirms that Kerry got his butt "wound" from a self inflicted grenage toss at a rice bin early in the day. Since the bump on his arm (as he gunned his boat to flee the mine explosion) did not draw blood, the only injury eligible for a purple heart that day (the rice in the butt) did not occurr as a result of enemy action (Unless he recieved two wounds at different times in the same day, in the same place).
The River: *** 1/2
The Mission: * 1/2
The Ambush: Didn't see it.