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To: GaretGarrett

correct me if I'm wrong here, but I recall that in wartime traitors are usually arrested, court-martialled and then SHOT for treason??


6 posted on 08/22/2004 8:32:20 PM PDT by prophetic (Dems investigate for pre 9/11intel - but now we've LOTS of Intel and they claim politics)
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To: prophetic
correct me if I'm wrong here, but I recall that in wartime traitors are usually arrested, court-martialled and then SHOT for treason??

Maybe at one time in the history of this nation but in the 20th century, America lost the will for self-protection/self-preservation.

The American woman known as Axis Sally served as a Nazi broadcaster and was only convicted on one count of treason, served little over 7 years, and ended her days as a private school teachers in America.

There are some who believe that "Lord Haw Haw", another American born Nazi propaganda broadcaster, would have lived if he had been permitted to come back to America. Instead the British tried him and hanged him after the war.

Only a handful of people were tried for treason after WWII and these examples I just cited were in the employ of the Nazis providing aid and comfort to the enemy and attempting to diminish the morale of those at home and in the armed forces.

Jane Fonda was not prosecuted for treason but there is no doubt in my mind that she was guilty of it if only for posing for photos on the Viet Cong antiaircraft gun.

From the Constitution:

Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

and

Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Does commission of treason exclude eligibility from seeking the presidency? Is there a statute of limitations on treason?

There are some mindless blogs that I encountered while searching for these passages online. In one, someone claimed that President Bush's "WMD lie" was an impeachable offense. Which one of America's enemies did the US aid by such a move (if it can be proven it was a deliberate act)?

18 posted on 08/22/2004 9:00:57 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: prophetic

The FReeper Foxhole Profiles Axis Sally - August 21st, 2004
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-vetscor/1196108/posts

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After the defeat of Germany, Gillars was not immediately apprehended but blended into the throngs of displaced persons in occupied Germany seeking assistance from the Western Allies in obtaining food, shelter, medical treatment, location of relatives and friends, and possible employment. She spent three weeks in an American hospital in 1946, then was taken to an internment camp in Wansel, Germany.

About Christmastime 1946, when she was granted amnesty and released, she obtained a pass to live in the French Zone of Berlin. Later, when she traveled to Frankfurt to get her pass renewed, she was arrested by the Army and kept there for more than a year. At the end of that detention she was flown to the United States and incarcerated in the Washington, D.C., District Jail on August 21, 1948. She was held there without bond.

Later she was charged with 10 counts of treason (eventually reduced to eight to speed up the trial) by a federal grand jury. Her trial began on January 25, 1949, in the district court of the nation's capital, with Judge Edward M. Curran presiding. The chief prosecutor was John M. Kelley, Jr., and Gillars' attorney was James J. Laughlin.
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In his final summation before the jury, prosecutor Kelley told them Gillars was a traitor who broadcast rotten propaganda for wartime Germany and got a sadistic joy out of it, especially those broadcasts in which she described in harrowing detail the agonies of wounded American soldiers before they died. "She sold out to them," he said. "She thought she was on the winning side, and all she cared about was her own selfish fame."

The trial ended on March 8, 1949, after six hectic weeks. The next day Judge Curran put the case in the hands of the jury of seven men and five women. After deliberating for hours, they were unable to reach a verdict and were sequestered in a hotel for the night. They met again the next morning, and after 17 hours o10 f further deliberation they acquitted her of seven of the eight counts pressed by the government in its original 10-count indictment. However, they found her guilty on count No. 10, involving the Nazi broadcast of the play Vision of Invasion.

On Saturday, March 26, Judge Curran pronounced sentence: 10 to 30 years in prison, a $10,000 fine, eligible for parole after 10 years. Mildred Gillars, alias Axis Sally, was then transported to the Federal Women's Reformatory in Alderson, W.Va. When she became eligible for parole in 1959, she waived the right, apparently preferring prison to ridicule as a traitor on the outside. Two years later, when she applied for parole, it was granted. At 6:25 a.m. on June 10, 1961, she walked out the gate of Alderson prison a free woman.

Gillars taught for a while in a Roman Catholic school for girls in Columbus, Ohio, and then returned to her old college, Ohio Wesleyan. She received a bachelor's degree in speech in 1973. Gillars died June 25, 1988, at the age of 87.

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On the off chance you're in the area and need to "relieve" yourself. Here's where she's buried

Mildred Gillars

Burial:
Saint Joseph Cemetery
Columbus
Franklin County
Ohio, USA


23 posted on 08/22/2004 9:20:11 PM PDT by Valin (Mind like a steel trap - rusty and illegal in 37 states.)
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To: prophetic

Only if they're not Democrats.


25 posted on 08/22/2004 9:36:25 PM PDT by Capricam
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