E-Vote Machine Certification Criticized

newsmax ^ | Aug. 23, 2004

[ETERNAL WARMING]

Several Orwellian thoughts come to mind. Not only can Hackers decide the vote, but a Global government could as well. It gives us the illusion that we still have the vote without the actual freedom still in place. Think about it.

I don't like the disturbing potential for this system. There's no paper trail even if we were suspicious. We have to do away with this or potentially our most cherished freedom could be taken from us.

[Salamander]

The Maryland machines spat out a hard copy of my electronic ballot.
It was placed in a locked ballot box so there is the "paper trail".
Unless my tiny little district is the only one in the whole state that had this "feature", I'd suspect the author is protesting a little too much.

[Blood of Tyrants]

The 'Rats screamed for electronic voting machines just so they could have a new avenue for contesting the results.

There is a super simple solution to this. Whenever you cast your vote the computer prints out permanent copy that the voter verifies but cannot touch. If it is correct you go about your merry way. If it is incorrect, you call a volunteer and the both of you invalidate it with your signatures, record the fact of the spoiled ballot, and you get a do over.

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The machines are in place here in Nevada. They'd better have a hardcopy printout or I'll be raising Cain.

[Uncle George]

To guarantee a legal Nov. election in California:
Park a green Border Patrol van near the entrance to every polling place and---- Eureka !!!!!!

[writer33]

Gotta get this out early for election in November. Should've just stayed with the former ballots. This comes under the I told you so heading.

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Wouldn't it be a simple matter of a couple of extra computer chips to print out what you thought you voted yet would technically vote the controllers position?

I'm not much of a techie, so imput from them would be valuable.

[ETERNAL WARMING]

Same here in Vegas. The Rats are hitting the barrio hangouts and getting them registered. I hear they're not fussy about ID either. It scares me silly to think of them voting in even more taxpayer handouts. There are alot of hispanics running for assorted positions in this state.

[upchuck]

Great idea. Only problem is the vast majority of these machines have NO paper ballot provision.

I've posted this link on a number of these electronic voting threads. It should be looked by everybody so you'll know what we're dealing with.

I'm poll manager here in South Carolina. And this fall, for the first time, we'll have these machines. We're supposed to have a training session sometime soon. I've emailed a link to this article to the county elections office.

Election day is not gonna be fun. Of course, we workers will be a little nervous since this will be the first time. But I really pity the poor voters. I'm not looking forward to explaining how to use the new machines a jillion times that day.

[TLI]

reference bump

[Salamander]

You'll have time to pitch a fit before you vote.
They handed me a card and then took me to the machine.
Then they took back the card, inserted it into a slot on the machine, turned their back as I voted and the card popped back out when I pressed "Finished".
They told *me* to remove the card and place it in the box.
[they refused to lay a paw on it once it had been "used", much like they did after I'd completed optical scan ballots, before]
If they don't give you a card, *then* scream.....:)

[El Gato]

The Maryland machines spat out a hard copy of my electronic ballot.

The machines in Bexar County Texas do not. I would feel alot safer with that sort of paper trail. 'Course when I used the punch card ballots, which I have in more than one state over the last 30 years, I found them fine...for anyone with an IQ over room temperature. But then I guess alot of the 'rat constituency doesn't meet that requirement.

[El Gato]

Election day is not gonna be fun. Of course, we workers will be a little nervous since this will be the first time. But I really pity the poor voters. I'm not looking forward to explaining how to use the new machines a jillion times that day.

I woundn't worry, the machines are easy to use, easier than a standard punch card system, much easier than the Florida Butterfly punch ballot. :)

It's the potential for fraud, not the ease of use, that worries me.

[Salamander]

The one I used put me to mind of a terminal in a department store.
An "all in one" with a large touchscreen with the candidate choices and a slot on the side like registers have to "frank" personal checks.

[El Gato]

Wouldn't it be a simple matter of a couple of extra computer chips to print out what you thought you voted yet would technically vote the controllers position?

It wouldn't take any extra hardware, just a small change to the software that runs the thing.

However if the paper ballot did not agree with the electronic record, that fact would come up in any challenged races, provided the paper "hard copy" is retained, which it would be because that is it's whole reason for existence.

Unfortunatly many electronic machines produce no "hard copy".

[Salamander]

I preferred our old machines, really.
They were optical scan ballots and it's pretty hard to mark a whole stack of them at once, like punch ballots apparently commonly are....:))

You know the old saying;
"As soon as you make something fool-proof, along comes a better fool".

The 'rats will try to overthrow this one, too, no matter what is done.
You -know- they have no interest in a "fraud proof" voting system.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

Electronic voting could be hacked in (literally) an infinite number of ways. Any of these could be changed to display or transmit or compute the wrong data:
the screen
the printer
the network card
the RAM
the hard drive
the touchscreen
the software
the OS software
the CPU's microcode
the machinery used to test that the software or the CPU or whatver hadn't been modified
the machinery used to test that the testing equipment hadn't been modified

repeat until positive infinity

And, for the other poster, this isn't just a "'Rat" thing, voting is kinda multipartisan. Just because most of those who complain about this are way far out there lefties doesn't mean they're wrong about their main idea.

[backhoe]

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[Blood of Tyrants]

You are wrong. Vote fraud IS a 'Rat thing.