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Cheney's Gay Marriage Comments Draw Fire
Yahoo News ^ | 8/24/04 | TODD DVORAK/AP

Posted on 08/24/2004 5:25:14 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Hildy
When my Brother told my parents he was going to marry his girlfriend, who was not our religion, my parents told him they could not in good conscience go to or support the marriage. This was not a newsflash to anyone, being my parents had always told us that they would not support that kind of decision. My Brother went ahead and married his girlfriend and my parents did not attend the wedding.

People were shocked. But I wasn't. I respected my parents for following through on their convictions and I respected my Brother for following through on his.

Apropos!

61 posted on 08/24/2004 7:50:40 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
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To: Yonkers Finest

The overall increase could be driven by a rise in new infections of the HIV virus among gay men. There have been disturbing indications in the past few years that risky sexual behavior has been increasing among gay men, particularly younger ones, causing the number of new HIV infections to begin to rise again. That could have begun to translate into a jump in new AIDS cases.

"Our biggest concern is what appears to be a resurgent epidemic in gay men," said Harold Jaffe, director of the CDC's National Center for HIV, STD and TB Prevention.

Data from 25 states show that the number of new HIV diagnoses among gay and bisexual men increased 7.1 percent from 2001 to 2002, marking the third consecutive year that infections have risen in that high-risk group. HIV diagnoses among gay and bisexual men have increased by 17.7 percent since an all-time low in 1999.

"We continue to sound this warning note to communities and state and local health departments that we need to redouble our efforts," Valdiserri said.

The overall increase could be driven by a rise in new infections of the HIV virus among gay men. There have been disturbing indications in the past few years that risky sexual behavior has been increasing among gay men, particularly younger ones, causing the number of new HIV infections to begin to rise again. That could have begun to translate into a jump in new AIDS cases.

"Our biggest concern is what appears to be a resurgent epidemic in gay men," said Harold Jaffe, director of the CDC's National Center for HIV, STD and TB Prevention.

Data from 25 states show that the number of new HIV diagnoses among gay and bisexual men increased 7.1 percent from 2001 to 2002, marking the third consecutive year that infections have risen in that high-risk group. HIV diagnoses among gay and bisexual men have increased by 17.7 percent since an all-time low in 1999.

"We continue to sound this warning note to communities and state and local health departments that we need to redouble our efforts," Valdiserri said.

The overall increase could be driven by a rise in new infections of the HIV virus among gay men. There have been disturbing indications in the past few years that risky sexual behavior has been increasing among gay men, particularly younger ones, causing the number of new HIV infections to begin to rise again. That could have begun to translate into a jump in new AIDS cases.

"Our biggest concern is what appears to be a resurgent epidemic in gay men," said Harold Jaffe, director of the CDC's National Center for HIV, STD and TB Prevention.

Data from 25 states show that the number of new HIV diagnoses among gay and bisexual men increased 7.1 percent from 2001 to 2002, marking the third consecutive year that infections have risen in that high-risk group. HIV diagnoses among gay and bisexual men have increased by 17.7 percent since an all-time low in 1999.

"We continue to sound this warning note to communities and state and local health departments that we need to redouble our efforts," Valdiserri said.

At the end of 2002, an estimated 42 million people were living with HIV/AIDS, the overwhelming majority living in the developing world. The United States is strongly committed to working with the international community to save lives by preventing new infections, helping people already infected with HIV/AIDS, and contributing to the search for a cure.

Overall U.S. Government Assistance
The Bush Administration has requested $2 billion for fiscal year 2004 to fund bilateral and multilateral efforts in the fight against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria, which is a 30% increase over FY03 ($1.6 billion), a 73% increase over FY02 ($1.1 billion), and a 143% increase over FY01 ($840 million).

Yup, this Gay marriage stuff has nothing to do with the rest of us. Nothing at all. freedom to do whatever.....


62 posted on 08/24/2004 7:52:56 PM PDT by ricktex401
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To: KQQL

I don't think that Cheney's position on Gay Marriages is going to sit very well with most conservative Republicans, of whom I am unashamedly one!! Yes, I am behind Bush, and Yes, I am actively campaigning for him, but this just caused me to shutter when I heard him today!!!! The Republican convention is going to either make or break this election for Bush. There are a LOT of Christian conservatives that are not happy campers with " Arnold and McCain" representing us, and now Cheney basically fluffing off gay marriage!!!!


63 posted on 08/24/2004 8:03:05 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: ricktex401

I respect Cheney's decision to speak from his heart and not recycle some statement he doesn't believe in for the sake of appeasing his party affiliation.


64 posted on 08/24/2004 8:05:26 PM PDT by Yonkers Finest
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To: familyofman
How could a parent turn their back on their child after having said/taught that such an action would be wrong. I have zero respect for your parents - sorry.

I have no idea what you mean by this post, but whether or not you have respect for my beloved parents means nothing to me.

65 posted on 08/24/2004 8:05:52 PM PDT by Hildy (John Edwards is to Dick Cheney what Potsie was to the Fonz.)
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To: billorites
Hey, blood's thicker than water or something like that...

If he wasn't supportive of his daughter he'd be a jerk in my eyes.

Dads back their kids up, pretty much whatever boneheaded thing they do.

Yep. That's pretty much the way I see it. I know almost nothing personal about Dick Cheney, but one thing I do know, is that he loves his daughters.

And according to the article, he has not changed his position one iota since 2000.

During the 2000 campaign, vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney took the position that states should decide legal issues about personal relationships and that people should be free to enter relationships of their choosing.

66 posted on 08/24/2004 8:05:54 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Yonkers Finest

Having respect for someone for their speaking their mind is great. Many Democrats are sincere too...I just don't agree with their position and won't vote for them. Cheney is skating close to bringing that same respect to the Bush-Cheney ticket. (ie conservatives won't vote....)


67 posted on 08/24/2004 8:15:56 PM PDT by ricktex401
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To: mrustow

What has changed since 2000 is the Supreme Court decision on Sodomy (which said states cannot enforce those laws) and the Mass court ruling, which the supreme court refused to overrule. In 2000 we all agreed with Cheney because we had no idea that the landscape would change to overrule the Defense of Marriage Act. Now we know that DOMA is not enough. With enough liberal judges anything is possible.


68 posted on 08/24/2004 8:19:23 PM PDT by ricktex401
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To: ricktex401

Thats all fine and good. I agree that statements like this will only create a rift in the Rep. party. But all i said in my original post was "props to cheney" out of respect for his honesty for which you responded with quite a lengthy article and retort that didn't have anything to do with what i said.


69 posted on 08/24/2004 8:21:43 PM PDT by Yonkers Finest
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To: Aquinasfan

My kind of libertarian Republican. Dick, keep up the good work.


70 posted on 08/24/2004 9:16:44 PM PDT by darth
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To: wagglebee
"With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone ... People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to.

Does that include adultery, incest, bestiality, polygamy, polyamory, and whatever else is out there? This is a conservative administration?

71 posted on 08/24/2004 9:26:35 PM PDT by Siamese Princess
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To: ricktex401
What has changed since 2000 is the Supreme Court decision on Sodomy (which said states cannot enforce those laws) and the Mass court ruling, which the supreme court refused to overrule. In 2000 we all agreed with Cheney because we had no idea that the landscape would change to overrule the Defense of Marriage Act. Now we know that DOMA is not enough. With enough liberal judges anything is possible.

True, but since enough liberal judges could gang up on FMA, as well, what is the point of expending so much energy enacting redundant and even triplicate laws? We're much better off expending the same energy, if it would get even just one outlaw federal judge removed from the bench. Be a lesson to the rest of 'em.

72 posted on 08/24/2004 9:57:51 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: wagglebee

I definitely won't be voting for this ticket as I did not last time. Emtpy platitudes from these men. I don't know why Christian radio and preachers are shilling for these people. Christians are always bewildered why society is the way it is.
Settling for mere crumbs might had something to with it.


73 posted on 08/24/2004 10:53:31 PM PDT by bluebunny
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To: Siamese Princess

No it is not. Never did like Cheney. Really don't know why he is considered to be great other than he has a "fatherly" persona.


74 posted on 08/24/2004 10:55:45 PM PDT by bluebunny
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg
With all due respects, Cheney should have just kept silent. He's not going to win votes from the Left and the Right will just get more frustrated.

Exactly, drip, drip, drip. This stuff is not necessary, either Rove is very stupid, or his boss is.

75 posted on 08/24/2004 11:07:29 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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I'm no longer sure that I want this man a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Sad, very sad.


76 posted on 08/25/2004 12:24:19 AM PDT by Jane St. Jane
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To: Jane St. Jane

But... but... but...

This strikes me as a way for the administration to perform a classic flip-flop without involving the president. Dubya is firmly against gay marriage. Cheney has no power over ANYTHING regarding gay marriage. By saying he disagrees with the president on this issue, he attempts to appease the so-called "log cabin Republicans" and gay friendly (family) independents who like Bush-Cheney but are hesitant because of the homosexual issue.

If Cheney were (Heaven Forbid) to become President, he wouldn't do anything about this. He would be a caretaker president. A steady hand in a troubled sea. That's the deal and I believe it.

I've become more and more biblical about this issue. Leviticus talks about men laying with men as with women twice. In chapter 18 it clearly states that it is an abomination, and that those guilty of abomination should be cut off (ostracized?). In chapter 20 it says they should be put to death. I'm not for stoning homosexuals. I think they should be accepted as people, but their behavior should never be CONDONED.


77 posted on 08/25/2004 3:41:44 AM PDT by johnb838 (John F'n Kerry: If you have to say you're cool (or a war hero), you're not.)
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To: annyokie
Because, as I have already said, it is a non-starter. I want a constitutional amendment against abortion with some very few exceptions, since it is already Federally protected. I could give a damn about my gay accountant and her partner who have lived together for 20+ years.

If you have something that 70% of the people oppose, it sure as heck not a no starter. And we have no issues with you gay accountant and partner living together, it's the normalization and promoting that has to stop. And to me there is no more important of an issue than reigning in the courts who are writing the law. Our whole system of government depends on having proper checks and balances between the branches of government and people, and with courts writing laws it has become way out of whack. The most important job of a President today is the judges he appoints, and that isn't how it is suppose to be.

78 posted on 08/25/2004 6:00:40 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: johnb838
In chapter 18 it clearly states that it is an abomination, and that those guilty of abomination should be cut off (ostracized?).

Jesus clearly says that remarriage after divorce is adultery except in a few, very specific circumstances. Should we outlaw marriage for the divorced?

79 posted on 08/25/2004 7:33:21 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: joesnuffy
To turn the nation over to such "liberalism" is simply inviting the wrath of God....you cannot spit in the face of the Almighty one without dire consequences...not Clinton not Cheney not me not you...in the end...America will pay dearly for her foolishness...

I'm reminded that it was in decadent, pagan Rome with its wildly loose sexual morals that the Church of Christ was berthed and thrived.

I'm concerned for America, but I'm more concerned for the Church in America, which itself these days seems more inclined towards sacrifice than mercy ("Look, Lord, I'm not like those buggering homos... I vote Republican, I tithe, I love America!"). We separate our dill and cummin, and forget about mercy on our fellow man.

Of course, I am not in favor of sexual immorality. And I am not criticizing you personally, as I have no idea where you stand on all this. I am just using your post as an opportunity to remind us that the log in our eye is, in my opinion, of more importance than the mote in the eye of the unbelieving gay. The American Church is angry, arrogant, and merciless in its treatment of homosexual sin... even as sexual sin runs rampant in our sanctuaries in the form of adultery, divorce, and fornication.

80 posted on 08/25/2004 9:59:54 AM PDT by kezekiel
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