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To: Fedora

I found this rank speculation: Q re initials KJW

Some of the documents, like the after action reports, etc are initialed : KJW

..."Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's mother Rosemary Forbes Kerry, was a member of the affluent Forbes shipping family and a descendant of John Winthrop, who helped found Boston in 1630."...

James Grant Forbes is the father of Rosemary Forbes Kerry and the maternal grandfather of 2004 U.S. Presidential candidate Democrat John Forbes Kerry and of the 1991 French Presidential candidate Green Brice Lalonde.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/James-Grant-Forbes

John Forbes Kerry ; John Winthrop Kerry :

This is rank speculation, but did or does John Kerry ever go by John Forbes Winthrop Kerry?

Did John Kerry sometimes use his maternal grandmother's maiden name as his middle name? Winthrop Kerry If so, then the John Winthrop Kerry initials would be JWK or KJW


James Grant Forbes (October 22, 1879 - April 24, 1955) was born in Shanghai, China, where the Forbes family of Boston amassed a fortune from the opium trade and merchant banking after the Opium Wars.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/James-Grant-Forbes
He went to school in England and graduated from Harvard University. Forbes was a successful international lawyer and banker. He married Margaret Tyndal Winthrop, who came from a family with deep roots in Massachusetts history going back to the John Winthrop, the first governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. The couple lived in the United States for the early years of their marriage, but after the birth of their third child they moved to Europe and made Paris, France their home. During World War I, and after having had several more children, they moved to England, where they rented Barrow Green Court. Margaret had two English governesses to help bring up her 13 children. Forbes is the father of Rosemary Forbes Kerry and the maternal grandfather of 2004 U.S. Presidential candidate Democrat John Forbes Kerry and of the 1991 French Presidential candidate Green Brice Lalonde.

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54 posted on 08/24/2004 10:49:41 PM PDT by anglian
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To: anglian

Interesting question. Another FReeper has been helping me look into some of the Kerrys/Forbes' inter-relationships with some of the other prominent families in Massachusetts. We'd noticed the Winthrop connection before but didn't notice the initials thing. I have forwarded your question to them and will let you know if anything interesting turns up.


58 posted on 08/24/2004 11:07:31 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: anglian
I was trying to search for an explanation why Kerry would use the KJW initials on the reports he submitted. I thought maybe the W. was his Holy Communion name. As a Roman Catholic, he would have received one when he made his First Communion.

When I was born, my parents never bothered to give me a middle name, but as a Catholic going through your First Holy Communion, you are required (at least you were back then), to pick a name. Mine was Marie. Call me stupid, but for many years, I believe that my middle name was really Marie and even used it when I applied for my original Social Security card (back in the '60's). It wasn't until several years later that I discovered I have no middle name on my birth certificate. Boy! what a let down that was. Out of the four kids, I was the only one who didn't have a middle name. I retired last year, and just recently, I went to the Social Security office and applied to get a new card with only my first and last name...no middle initial. I figured I'd better do it before I'm 62 and have all sorts of trouble processing my papers for my SS check.

Anyway, to get back to Kerry's initials on those reports. I know that the Left is trying to say that Kerry did not write his medal commendations. That may be true, but he may also have embellished the after action reports so much that the brass had no choice but recommend him for his awards. According to the Swift Vets, Kerry actually volunteered to write all the reports. For someone like Kerry, who apparently enjoyed writing enough to keep a lengthy journal of his Vietnam stay, I can certainly believe that he would jump at the chance to write these reports, especially if he could use them to his advantage.

Today I was listening to Mark Levin's radio program. Mark read comments from Kerry's 1971 Senate Testimony. Below are segments of that testimony. They are found under the Subtitle: ACCURACY OF INFORMATION THROUGH OFFICIAL MILITARY CHANNELS

Kerry is asked by Senator Symington: "Mr. Kerry, from your experience in Vietnam do you think it is possible for the President or Congress to get accurate and undistorted information through official military channels."

Kerry replies: "I had direct experience with that. Senator, I had direct experience with that and I can recall often sending in the spot reports which we made after each mission; and including the GDA, gunfire damage assessments, in which we would say, maybe 15 sampans sunk or whatever it was. And I often read about my own missions in the Stars and Stripes and the very mission we had been on had been doubled in figures and tripled in figures."

He continues on, mentioning friends of his who are intelligence officers [I didn't realize Kerry had any friends in Vietnam], and made suggestions regarding how intelligence info could be collected.

Then he says this: "I also think men in the military, sir, as do men in many other things, have a tendency to report what they want to report and see what they want to see."

In two paragraphs, John Kerry has provided us with the information that I believe proves he and no one else wrote and submitted all the after-action, damage, casualty, etc. reports from which all of his medals were derived. He even admits that ALL men, including himself, filed reports that contained information that was in all liklihood, not factual.

80 posted on 08/25/2004 7:30:34 PM PDT by mass55th ( “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”)
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To: anglian
I need to make a correction. It wasn't First Communion where a person chooses a saint's name to use. It's their Confirmation that this occurs. Goes to show you how long it's been since I've practiced my religion. There's a whole list of Patron Saints whose names start with "W." Here's a link:

Click Here

87 posted on 08/26/2004 10:22:12 AM PDT by mass55th ( “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”)
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