[auzerais]

I tried doing a search of Giap and anti-war demonstrations, but couldn't come up with anything.

With Kerry now claiming that he and his anti-war group "helped end the Vietnam War", it may be the time to re-open this debate and get some clarity for ourselves and especially talkshow hosts to counter the leftists' claims.

[quantim]

Yes, see tagline.

[LibFreeOrDie]

At www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/samples.asp, look at the video clip of James Warner, POW (at bottom of page) for his thoughts on this.

[highlander_UW]

I don't recall how to do a link, but here's an article on the topic you're asking about... http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/10/222651.shtml

[Army Air Corps]

Kerry and his group, VVAW, helped colour public opinion against the war. We had made promises to support the Republic of Vietnam, but Kerry, et al made Vietnam such a hot potato that Congress decided not to fund the Republic of Vietnam. The Northern regime, however, was supported by both the PRC and USSR. Without political, economic, and military support, the RVN collapsed when the the Northern regime invaded. When they had only a few month's worth of supplies and POL reserves, the handwriting was on the wall. The oppression of the South rests on the head of Kerry and his fellow travelers.

[Thane_Banquo]

The groups pro-longed the war, and helped bring about our loss, by tying up American military resources at home (to quell violent demonstrations and to prevent more complaining about troops being deployed) and making a big political fuss whenever the Johnson or Nixon administration tried to do anything to help bring the war to a successful end.

[TheLion]

Only liberals can try and twist Un-American activity into something positive.

[HamiltonJay]

Of course it helped prolong the war, Generals from North Korea have stated not only that it prolonged the war, but his (Kerry's) words and actions helped them win the war. Yes, there are N. Korean generals on the Record stating that the N. was losing the war, and they had no chance of winning and that Kerry's comments before Congress were the turning point that allowed them to win.

Kerry is a Turncoat and a traitor, period.


I think someone needs to spit in Kerry's face and call him a Baby Killer sometime during this campaign so he can taste a bit of his own medicine.

[spunkets]

See this thread.

they did 2 more mini tets and had to use NVA to work VC duty, because they were essentially destroyed as an effective fighting force. It would have ended with their defeat, or surrender soon after that had the leftists in the US not aided the N by forcing troop reductions and severely limiting actions taken against the invading N.

The statement you're looking for is Lt Col O. North's summarization of Giap's conclusions based on an NVA gen staff col's validation in his '86 book.

[snooker]

I think the general conclusion that can be drawn is that the Viet Cong figured if they could kill as many GIs as possible, hold on as long as they could, the US would fold and they would win. They bet the farm on the anti-war types to win the war for them. With Kerry, Fonda and the media, the VC won. The US lost the public support so Nixon ran on 'get us out of Viet Nam'. The lefties then tarred Nixon with the failure brush.

One interesting thing is Kerry actually met with the VC peace delegation in Paris and drew up surrender terms for the US. Yeah, same guy who wants to command the troops now. What a POS.

They VC were essentially defeated during the Tet offensive and they knew it. Read Giaps book. It gives a good account.

So when you hear how screwed we are in the present war in Iraq, just remember, the leftists did it in Viet Nam first. Now it's deja vu in Iraq. You might even notice it's the same leftists players on stage spreading the lies.

[paul51]

Of course the prolong the war. When our enemies see dissension on the home front, it only encourages them to continue thinking (unfortunately, knowing) that they have a chance of breaking our will. The same thing is happening in Iraq. Our enemies see the backbiting and second guessing of our President and our war policy and it encourages them to continue the fight. Unfortunately, they are aided by the press, foreign and domestic, that spins the debate and makes appear that our will is even weaker than it may be. They all have the blood of out troops on their hands.

[Texasforever]

Just look at Iraq for your answer. The "insurgency" began when all of the negative stories about Bush "lying us into war" came into being and it has fed on that ever since.

[oyez]

Kerry an company helped jepardize and weaken American resolve while giving hope and comfort to North Viet Nam. I credit Bob McNamara for loosing the war.

[elbucko]

However, because the anti-war demonstrations were truly getting massive in the US at that point,.....

Not exactly. The demonstrations were getting massive press coverage. The TV press had decided that Vietnam was a lost cause and began to make it so. Film footage was broadcast over and over.

As well, Lyndon Johnson did not do anybody any favors when he declined a second term. Though I hate LBJ's guts, his backing out of the '68 election sent another message to the Viet Cong that encouraged their struggle. LBJ "started" Vietnam to insure his second term, then turned coward when the going got tough (actually, I think he wanted the Democrats to "beg" him to run again).

What Kerry's testimony did was to turn duty in Vietnam into individual struggles of survival for each American soldier. The effect of Kerry's Senate testimony was; "Every man for himself". Not unlike Kerry.

[Joe_October]

The "Peace" protestors got millions killed in Vietnam. They did more to harm those they claimed to be helping. Who would possibly want any of them to back them up.

They are simply sad, nasty, humans.

[Arizona Carolyn]

There is an entire chapter on this subject in the Clinton Chronicles. It explained how the behind-the-scenes work done by the anti-war protestors of the time (Clinton was one) actually caused the war to last longer and at least an additional 20,000 deaths. That chapter alone is worth the price of the book.

[MarineBrat]

You are looking for this...

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1249

David Horowitz is what I believe to be as great an authority on this issue as any other person alive.

MarineBrat

[Tax Government]

Democrat administrations did not fight the Vietnam war to win, and let it stagnate. That, in turn, became the basis for valid protests of the administration's handling of the war. Goldwater had the right idea: bomb Hanoi harbor and bring the war to an early close.

Note that when a Republican, Nixon, got elected, the war ended.

So, "thanks," democRats, for your mishandling of the Vietnam war. You proved for eternity, to my satisfaction, your inability to manage the country.

[American in Israel]

It taught evil men that they do not win wars by force, but by perserverence in evil. Big battles make big losses, but random indiscriminate slaughter everywhere weakens resolve of good men.

Kerry led the attack that did not lengthen the war, it lost it. But Democrats have been snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for a long time.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Ramsey Clark to Join Panel for Saddam’s Defense

arabnews press release 25 August 2004

NOTE :
Ramsey Clark is pictured below with Kerry and
Vietnam phony vet Al Hubbard
Who was head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement.



NEW:
FReeper smith288 has an online version of
Kerry's "The New Soldier"
You can read it without downloading pdf files!
CLICK HERE

From Kerry's "The New Soldier":
Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66

Emotions: Walking down the flight line at Saigon past stacks of aluminum cases containing American bodies and past stacks of aluminum luggage containing American currency. Seeing the tight, sad face of an Airman loading the bodies aboard a dirty Air Force Transport and the wide smiling face of a stewardess greeting the passengers aboard a clean Pan American Clipper Jet. Hearing a Vietnamese beg you to leave his country and an American colonel tells you to bomb his country. Hearing a Vietnamese invite you to live in his home, after the war and an American explain why you can’t live in his block, after the war. Flying over barren, brown, safe American held terrain and over lush, green unsafe enemy terrain. Feeling happy to be leaving a country in which you do not belong and sad to be returning to a country in which you are not allowed to belong. Sacrificing a portion of your consciousness so you won’t have to deal with being there and building mental blocks so you won’t have to deal with having been there.

- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam. The only Vietnamese he ever met was when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.
John Kerry's explanation: "He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

The New Soldier, (46 pages)
By John Kerry
and Vietnam Veterans
Against the War
PART I (pdf file)
PART II (pdf file)
PART III (pdf file)

Kerry hopes everyone
in the USA gets this book!

NEW:
“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW
CLICK HERE



Send this url for the online version

http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

Send this url for the Stolen Honor website

http://www.stolenhonor.com/

Print this out (46 pages) and disribute it,
especially to the liberals you know.

Copy and paste the links to everyone you know.

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf

[Just mythoughts]

Compare and contrast what this bunch have done over the "war" in Iraq.

These leftist groups have sent signals to those who reject a "FREE" nation in Iraq that "IF" they can hang on until JFKerry becomes president they can return to Saddam.

The same method of operation used in this nation during the Vietnam war is now being replayed by this same bunch.

The numbers of people slaughtered after our leaving Vietnam via the leftist support of "communism" is upon their heads and for this they will be held to account.

Note JFKerry signal to these terrorists he will fight a "sensitive" war.