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One Reporter's Opinion - Reel in the Big Fish First(Illegal Immigration)
NEWSMAX.COM ^ | 8/27/2004 | George Putnam

Posted on 08/27/2004 11:38:53 AM PDT by kellynla

It is this reporter's opinion that there is one way to shut off and bring a grinding halt to the illegal alien invasion of America... and that is to enforce the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act, Section 8. Let's put meaning into the words:

"Any person who encourages or induces an alien to reside knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that residence is in violation of law shall be punished as provided for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs be fined under Title 18, imprisoned more than 5 years, or both." It speaks of a person or group of persons, business or organization that commits a federal felony when assisting an alien by transporting, sheltering or assisting him/her to obtain employment.

There you have it! The key word is EMPLOYMENT.

Our border patrol is proving fairly effective in arresting people who are not in this country legally. What we must have now is effective employer enforcement - the Justice Dept. not looking the other way but enforcing the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act to the letter. It is time to crack down on those in the business of smuggling illegals and employing them, paying the workers cash under the table while the government sits on its hands turning a blind eye to those who hire illegal immigrants to satisfy their insatiable hunger for cheap labor.

Here are some statistics on the federal record:

Since 1998, our federal government has fined only four companies in San Diego County and none in Riverside County, California, for hiring illegal immigrants.

Federal records show that in 2001 only 141 companies all across the country were hit with fines - 15 of these in California.

By the year 2002 those numbers had dropped to 73 and one respectively.

In 2003 15 companies in the U.S. were fined, none of which are in California, and one company in Maryland.

Thirteen companies received fines for such violations in 2001 and only two since.

In our region, not a single Riverside company has been fined in the past decade. Almost every city has at least one designated street corner where the day laborers - illegals - gather waiting for offers of work. The employers hire the illegals and pay rock bottom wages, no benefits, and realize large profits. This is disgraceful! With that kind of impunity, employers or would-be employers are taking advantage of the situation. And since the possibility of being put in jail or of being fined is so remote, neither the laborers nor the employers are worried.

It is difficult to find any statistics concerning investigations conducted on businesses nationwide or the possibility of fines imposed against such activity. Penalties are issued in only the most egregious cases. Instead of fines, the government works with the employers and - get this - teaches the employers how to avoid hiring illegal immigrants. In other cases, government officials negotiate the terms of a sanction with the company and, by the way, those deals are not made public.

Asked why the number of companies that have been fined has dropped so dramatically, one government source cites limited resources and a shift in focus to protecting the country against terrorism. Investigators are distracted by such statements as "National security is at stake when it comes to hiring illegals." But one government employee suggests we take our choice concerning illegals where national security is at stake - contrast seeking out a restaurant employee with those who work at our airports. We have limited resources. Make your choice. The priority is, of course, monitoring sites such as airports and energy and chemical plants.

The decline in arrests of employers of illegals, according to Congressman Darrell Issa, (R - Calif.) is due to an almost complete abandonment of interior enforcement in the two decades following the amnesty of 1986. Prosecution should be easy because many employers have committed a felony by paying workers in cash under the table, and that is a violation of the Internal Revenue code.

One professor of ethnic studies at U.C. Riverside echoes the widespread belief that the federal government sits on its hands, turning a blind eye to those employers who hire illegals because the country needs those workers and we have an insatiable hunger for cheap labor. He believes that if the government really started cracking down on companies that hire these workers, it would result in higher prices, it would create bigger problems and open up an economic Pandora's Box.

On the West Coast we have witnessed howls of protest after a series of rallies in support of our border patrol. The result was a visit by Under Secretary Hutchinson and his calling off of sweeps of Latino communities. It resulted in the federal government doing less rather than more to halt the illegal alien invasion or prosecution of big business hiring.

One long-time Republican activist who dates back to Barry Goldwater blames President Bush and his administration for the continuing flood of illegals crossing the border. He says, "I'll be damned if I am going to work for Bush until he changes his immigration policies and starts enforcing immigration law."

Which brings us back to our initial statement. The way to put a stop to the invasion is the absolute uncompromising enforcement of the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act - bring action against persons or businesses that employ illegals thus committing a federal felony with all of its consequences. Nothing could be simpler than that.

Something to think about: An analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies reports that illegal immigrants are costing the federal government more than $10 billion a year. Other estimates run as high as $20-30 billion a year. The cost to California alone is an estimated $5 billion a year! And those figures don't include all the other added benefits counted as a cost of illegal migration.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; hutchinson; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration
George Putnam, one of the first and longest voices in California against illegal immigration.

Semper Fi, George!

1 posted on 08/27/2004 11:38:53 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

Exactly. This might be the only realistic plan that could work.


2 posted on 08/27/2004 11:42:28 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: gubamyster; starsandstrips; Rabid Dog; calcowgirl; Jim Robinson; Salvation; jam137; ...

ping


3 posted on 08/27/2004 11:43:35 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: kellynla

Sounds good to me.


4 posted on 08/27/2004 11:43:44 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Flee...into the peace and safety of a new dark age." HP Lovecraft)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Well it certainly is a start!
But you still have to secure the borders.
And until the borders are secured and the illegals are deported(including the incarcerated), there will be no victory in the "war on drugs", the "war on terrorism" and there definitely will be no "homeland security!"

Semper Fi,
Kelly


5 posted on 08/27/2004 11:46:54 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: kellynla

Putnam is right on the money as usual. Only one problem, the government does not want to enforce any of the laws regarding this epic invasion. But the same government has no problem putting a gun to our heads demanding the tax payers pay for this coast to coast lawlessness.


6 posted on 08/27/2004 11:48:08 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
The way to put a stop to the invasion is the absolute uncompromising enforcement of the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act - bring action against persons or businesses that employ illegals thus committing a federal felony with all of its consequences. Nothing could be simpler than that.

Does anyone want to take a guess as to why the Federal Government has not done this?

7 posted on 08/27/2004 11:50:07 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: kellynla

George has the correct response to that old straw horse "just how do you propose to round up & deport 15 million people?"


8 posted on 08/27/2004 11:51:18 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Joe Hadenuf

I heard Brit Hume hit Karl Rove over the head about illegal immigration...
I think if we continue to hold W and his administrations' collective feet to the fire maybe they will wake up and smell the coffee...eventually...LOL


9 posted on 08/27/2004 11:53:31 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: kellynla

I truly believe there is a plan to erase our borders with Mexico. We get cheap labor, Mexico doesn't have to deal with its welfare problem. Every mail survey I get conveniently fails to list illegal immigration as a choice in the problems America faces.

The government is doing exactly what it wants, regardless of which political party is in power.


10 posted on 08/27/2004 11:56:12 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

It would incriminate all the wrong people? I don't know.


11 posted on 08/27/2004 11:59:20 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: skeeter
George has the correct response to that old straw horse "just how do you propose to round up & deport 15 million people?"
ten thousand a day for the next four years should just about do it! LOL
But you have to close the barn door first!
If ya don't hire 'em they won't come and those already here will leave or get legal.
But one thing's for sure, the present inaction is not working!!!
12 posted on 08/27/2004 12:03:39 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: kellynla

What a novel idea . . . enforcing immigration law!


13 posted on 08/27/2004 12:04:58 PM PDT by KiloLima
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Does anyone want to take a guess as to why the Federal Government has not done this?
Because Americans have not demanded it!...yet
And that's why it is left up to people like us to wake up the sleeping masses to the cost of illegal immigration in not only dollars but homeland security and quality of life for all Americans !
14 posted on 08/27/2004 12:07:37 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: kellynla
But one thing's for sure, the present inaction is not working!

If only 'inaction' were the problem. What we have now from government is active encouragement.

15 posted on 08/27/2004 12:08:33 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: kellynla

You can listen live right now at ---http://www.warpradio.com/popTuner.asp?id=13800


16 posted on 08/27/2004 12:11:26 PM PDT by Digger
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Every mail survey I get conveniently fails to list illegal immigration as a choice in the problems America faces

If these surveys are also asking for donations (which they are), I send them back at their expense, and write with marker "no donations to any politician or party who favors open borders and illegal immigration - not a cent!"

17 posted on 08/27/2004 12:11:48 PM PDT by janetgreen (CALIFORNIA - ILLEGAL ALIEN HEAVEN)
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To: All

And for those of you who have not seen the report yet from The Center for Immigration Studies, here is the link:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalrelease.html


18 posted on 08/27/2004 12:12:08 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

I think we need to popularize the position that illegal immigration is tolerated by the US in order to provide the safety valve which enables the Mexican elite families to stay in power, and maintain the somewhat stable status quo.

At least that what a lot of these people tell me. Many feel that as long as these families maintain their stranglehold on Mexico with the complicity of our government, nothing will change.


19 posted on 08/27/2004 12:13:23 PM PDT by tertiary01 (Kerry for Chief of Self Aggrandizement)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Does anyone want to take a guess as to why the Federal Government has not done this?

They can't. The only power they have is the one enumerated in the Constitution to repel invasion and secure the borders.

Illegals are still people in the common or natural-law sense of the word. Without the creation of the legal entity via a birth certificate from one of the states, government has no jurisdiction and therefore no control until issuance of a visa, green card, or other form of official FEDERAL documentation.

They still persons according to law because they're illegals.

Before anyone yells about tinfoil, answer this-

'States' are defined in the codes as a 'political subdivisions'. A political subdivision is an artificial thing.

So how can a real, live human being be born inside something artificial?

20 posted on 08/27/2004 12:36:35 PM PDT by MamaTexan (TAG - You're it! :)
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To: kellynla

Somehow, I've got this gut-level conviction that no solution will work which does not somehow create conditions which cause the Mexicans to not WANT to come up here.

If it were up to me, I would start from that premise, and then do *whatever* was necessary to create those conditions, beginning as humanely as possible, but stopping at nothing until the "problem" was solved.


21 posted on 08/27/2004 1:15:20 PM PDT by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: fire_eye

Well I guarantee you that if a very heavy fines were laid on employers then this nonsense would come to a screeching halt! Walmart and the rest of them would have to start hiring American citizens and paying them a living wage! Instead of laying Mexico's problems on our front porch and expecting us to pay for the food stamps, medical care and education of their children while the Waltons fatten their billionaire bank accounts at our expense.


22 posted on 08/27/2004 1:42:33 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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23 posted on 08/27/2004 2:26:29 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

And instead of this realistic plan our leaders plan on giving illegals social security benefits....and they need 80% fewer credits to qualify than we citizens do. Ain't it grand?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1200467/posts


24 posted on 08/27/2004 2:30:23 PM PDT by AuntB ("Go count your blessings and when you're done come complain to me." MY Grandma!!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Because George W. Bush hasn't ordered it so... because he doesn't want to.


25 posted on 08/27/2004 2:36:07 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault...)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
The government is doing exactly what it wants, regardless of which political party is in power.

I have always thought that there must have been a provision in NAFTA to erase the borders, but of course, WE wouldn't have known about that. Only our congress, who were required to read and approve or disapprove knew.

I guess they didn't read it.

26 posted on 08/27/2004 2:40:40 PM PDT by Jennikins (It matters not what we want, as we are being ruled, not governed.)
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To: kellynla

Since 1/3 of all Federal prisoners are in the US illegally;
a soverign can be hled liable under common law who knew or should have known that damages would be incurred because of their failure to act. Therefore a massive class action against the Federal Gov't by a greedy lawyer on behalf of the injured crime victims should put an end to the problem.


27 posted on 08/27/2004 2:44:40 PM PDT by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
The government is doing exactly what it wants, regardless of which political party is in power.

I have always thought that there must have been a provision in NAFTA to erase the borders, but of course, WE wouldn't have known about that. Only our congress, who were required to read and approve or disapprove knew.

I guess they didn't read it.

28 posted on 08/27/2004 2:45:06 PM PDT by Jennikins (It matters not what we want, as we are being ruled, not governed.)
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To: tertiary01
At least that what a lot of these people tell me. Many feel that as long as these families maintain their stranglehold on Mexico with the complicity of our government, nothing will change.

This could very well be a factor. Also, a few weeks ago I saw Dr. Condoleeza Rice being questioned about our "porous" southern border. She acknowledged it is a security problem but cannot be completely closed because that would impede "commerce." That is congruent with the theory that an impending "North American Union (NAU)" is the reason the invasion has been allowed.

My theory of why Mexicans continue to stream northward is simple greed. I have traveled in Mexico and it's not a bad place. The cities are mostly clean and the residents well-fed and well-groomed. However, El Norte offers the quick buck; the macho man can send back mucho dinero to buy things for the family, impress the rest of the village. As I said, though, it's a theory. Many years have passed since I traveled there.

29 posted on 08/27/2004 2:45:29 PM PDT by KiloLima
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To: kellynla

A remarkable conservative Democrat.


30 posted on 08/27/2004 2:52:55 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Jennikins

"I guess they didn't read it."

I will never forget one night on Larry King during the Nafta "debate". Someone against it read something startling to Rep. Phil Crane, R. He asked, "where are you getting that stuff from?"....the answer was NAFTA. He admitted he didn't read it. But he voted for it. Common practice, sadly.

How do you feel about the bi-partisan effort through the State Dept. and SSAdministration to give Illegal Aliens social security benefits?


31 posted on 08/27/2004 2:55:23 PM PDT by AuntB ("Go count your blessings and when you're done come complain to me." MY Grandma!!)
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To: A CA Guy
A remarkable conservative Democrat
yep, quite a guy...and a Marine too! ;-]
32 posted on 08/27/2004 2:58:04 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
The government is doing exactly what it wants, regardless of which political party is in power.

Bingo!

33 posted on 08/27/2004 3:57:37 PM PDT by Ron H. (It's about time for Christian and social conservatives to start looking for a new party.)
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To: kellynla
But one thing's for sure, the present inaction is not working!!!

Bush and his administration doesn't want to see it enforced, period!

34 posted on 08/27/2004 4:00:10 PM PDT by Ron H. (It's about time for Christian and social conservatives to start looking for a new party.)
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To: tertiary01
Perhaps after the election (especially if it is a close one) we need to start considering the "I" word. If Bush refuses to honor the oath of his office and to the American people and the laws of this nation then just maybe he should be removed!!

We would consider nothing less if it was Clinton doing this to America!

35 posted on 08/27/2004 4:07:23 PM PDT by Ron H. (It's about time for Christian and social conservatives to start looking for a new party.)
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To: kellynla

bttt


36 posted on 08/27/2004 4:32:27 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: kellynla

bttt


37 posted on 08/27/2004 4:32:27 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: Ron H.

They are refusing to enforce immigration laws.


38 posted on 08/27/2004 5:08:47 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: MamaTexan
"They still persons according to law because they're illegals."

My copy of the Declaration of Independence states, "We the people of the United States..."

What's the language in your copy, "We the illegal aliens that violated federal law by sneaking in from Mexico, Libya, Syria and every other nation that hates the United States..."?

LOL!

39 posted on 08/27/2004 5:23:13 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: skeeter
"...just how do you propose to roundup 15 million people?"

Leave it to "George" to ask the same goofy question over and over again.

Here's a partial list of what your fellow FReepers have come up with.

-Go after the employers.

-Give all illegal aliens 90 days to get the hell out of our country, period.

-Then have the Border Patrol start their interior sweeps again and order them to confiscate every last piece of property, car, truck or dollar from every illegal alien that's caught.

The majority of illegal aliens will deport themselves.

There will be a stampede across our borders into Mexico and Canaduh.

40 posted on 08/27/2004 5:40:08 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: KiloLima
However, El Norte offers the quick buck; the macho man can send back mucho dinero to buy things for the family, impress the rest of the village.

I've heard that they'll even go into debt here, so they can go back and visit and show off a nice car and clothes and brag about how well things are going for them in the States.

41 posted on 08/27/2004 5:51:07 PM PDT by Pa' fuera
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To: skeeter

"just how do you propose to round up & deport 15 million people?"

If you fine and jail employers, and cut off all social services to illegals they will deport themselves.



42 posted on 08/27/2004 7:12:02 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed

I totally agree. The 'how do you deport 15 mil illegals' is a canard.


43 posted on 08/27/2004 7:18:38 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: kellynla

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44 posted on 08/27/2004 8:44:45 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: kellynla

bttt


45 posted on 08/27/2004 11:34:21 PM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: lainde

bump


46 posted on 08/28/2004 9:16:07 AM PDT by AuntB ("Go count your blessings and when you're done come complain to me." MY Grandma!!)
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To: AuntB
How do you feel about the bi-partisan effort through the State Dept. and SSAdministration to give Illegal Aliens social security benefits?

I think this is totally insane and both parties will cater to the illegals. This whole problem stems from their (the illegals)demand on parity with American citizen's rights and privileges, and becomes "entitlement".

As for Nafta, I remember Bob Dole receiving thousands of calls from the U.S. public about not to vote for NAFTA. What did our representive Dole do? He shut the phone down, and VOTED FOR IT. I remember this because I was one of the callers.

47 posted on 08/29/2004 2:26:40 PM PDT by Jennikins (It matters not what we want, as we are being ruled, not governed.)
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