[ikka]

Many things have changed, but one thing has not: our traitorous main stream media still covers up for thieves, liars, and Kennedy's (but I repeat myself).

[claudiustg]

---That was April 21. On April 22, the story began to change. ---

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[Ann Archy]

More info!! What happened to Al Hibbard? Where is he now?

[mass55th]

I've been wondering about John Hurley, the head of the Vets for Kerry group. He's been on many different shows, speaking against the Swifties. Last week on Fox News Sunday, Hurley said:

"Those guys, including myself, came back and opposed that war in Vietnam to save lives, and it worked."

So who is John Hurley, and what was his role in the anti-war movement? Was he a member of VVAW? Does anybody know?

[dennisw]

WHERE IS AL HUBBARD? Today?

[Casloy]

Hubbard was just one of many. I'd love to know how many members of the VVAW ever were exposed to enemy fire. I would bet everything it was a handful. A lot of them weren't even vets.

Also, 14 years in the Air-Force and he only reached E-5? The man wasn't just a liar but a total incompetent.

[Calpernia]

bump for later

[Libloather]

"I really don't care whether Al was in Vietnam or not. He's a good man. That's all that counts."

Sounds like an Effin' Kerry voter.

Al Hubbard had the opportunity to defend himself. Instead he chose to make no comment, and I was left to draw my own conclusions.

Sounds like Effin' Kerry...

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Phony Vietnam veterans alleged in books
Guenter Lewy's 1978 book America in Vietnam (pages 316-317) and B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley's Stolen Valor (Verity Press, Inc., Dallas, Texas)(pages 113, 131-137) contain similar information about alleged flaws in Lane's book. Neither book, however, refutes any of the testimony given during the Winter Soldier Investigation.

Lawyer and leftist activist Mark Lane was one of the organizers of Winter Soldier. In 1970, Lane had published a book called Conversations With Americans purporting to be interviews with Vietnam veterans about war crimes, containing Vietnam tales of atrocities. Reporter Neil Sheehan showed some interviewed in Lane's book had never served in Vietnam and others had not been in the situations they described. Lane admitted he did not check military records, as confirmation of details was not relevant. Lane later confirmed these militarty records.
The following are often falsely listed as being participants in Winter Soldier, but were actually in Lane's book instead. This confusion is probably due to Stolen Valor having an explanation of Lane's history within the section on Winter Soldier.
Chuck Onan, stock room clerk in Beaufort, S.C.
Michael Schneider, deserted in Europe and deserted again in the USA.
Terry Whitmore, was in an unpopulated area of Vietnam.
Garry Gianninoto, medical corpsman at battalion headquarters.
VVAW leader and Winter Soldier co-organizer Al Hubbard lied about being an officer, and sustaining war injuries - but he never testified at Winter Soldier .
According to the investigative work of Burkett, Lewy and others, there were many imposters, liars, and plain nutjobs who infiltrated the ranks of the anti-war movement, and, in some cases, testified to war crimes and atrocities that never occurred in order to get attention, sympathy, and, in one documented case, medals and honors."

http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/W/Winter-Soldier-Investigation.htm


"...At the time, Kerry was serving as the point man for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. The president of the organization was Al Hubbard, who claimed to be an Air Force captain who was severely injured during his service in Vietnam.

It turned out Hubbard was a sergeant who never served in Vietnam.

He did, however, as Kerry knew, serve the communist cause with great enthusiasm and distinction – making propaganda trips to Hanoi paid for by the Communist Party USA. "

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39982

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Washington Post 8/21/04

"Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published
Kerry's full military records on their Web site
(with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year),
they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records.
A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information.
A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan,
said he was not authorized to release the full file,
which consists of at least a hundred pages. "

TRANSCRIPT: 8/26/04
Steve Gardner, Foregunner, PCF44:
http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg

"I spent more time on John Kerry's boat than any other crewmember.

John Kerry hasn't been honest - he has been deceitful.

John Kerry claims that he spent Christmas, in 1968, in Cambodia.

And that is catagorically a lie. Not in December. Not in January.

We were never in Cambodia on a secret mission. Ever."

Ramsey Clark to Join Panel for Saddam’s Defense

arabnews press release 25 August 2004

NOTE :
Ramsey Clark is pictured below with Kerry and
Vietnam phony vet Al Hubbard
Who was head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement.


Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam.
The only Vietnamese he ever met was
when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation:
"He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

NEW:
FReeper smith288 has an online version of
Kerry's "The New Soldier"
You can read it without downloading pdf files!
CLICK HERE

The New Soldier, (46 pages)
By John Kerry
and Vietnam Veterans
Against the War
PART I (pdf file)
PART II (pdf file)
PART III (pdf file)

Kerry hopes everyone
in the USA gets this book!

NEW:
“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW
CLICK HERE

Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969;
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."

Joe Moore, Can Tho Airfield 550th Signal Company

Copy and paste the links to everyone you know.

Send this url for the Steve Gardner video

http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg

Send this url for the online version

http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

Send this url for the Stolen Honor website

http://www.stolenhonor.com/

Print this out (46 pages) and disribute it,
especially to the liberals you know.

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf

[BunnySlippers]

Where is Al Hubbard now?

[christie]

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Visit the John F. Kerry Timeline . . .
.

[arasina]

From The Washington Times "Inside Politics" 3/24/04:

Kerry 'misspeaks'

"CBS and ABC on Monday night ran full stories on how the FBI trailed antiwar activist John Kerry in the early 1970s, but only ABC's Dan Harris pointed out what CBS's Byron Pitts missed, how the FBI 'documents do show that some of Kerry's recent statements about his antiwar activism are inaccurate,' " the Media Research Center reports.

"Both March 22 stories were prompted by an article in that day's Los Angeles Times about the FBI documents obtained a few years ago by a book author," Brent Baker writes at www.mediaresearch.org.

"Harris explained on 'World News Tonight': 'While the FBI ultimately concluded that Kerry had no link to any violent activity, these documents do show that some of Kerry's recent statements about his antiwar activism are inaccurate. Two weeks ago, Kerry was asked about Al Hubbard, an activist with whom he had appeared on national TV in April 1971. Shortly after that appearance, Hubbard was exposed for having lied about his service record.'

"Kerry in his Senate hallway press conference a couple of weeks ago: 'I haven't talked to Al Hubbard since that week.'

"Harris: 'But the documents show that Kerry was with Hubbard at many subsequent meetings. Also, Kerry has repeatedly denied being at a November 1971 meeting where this man [photo of man with long hair], Scott Camil , proposed a plan to assassinate members of Congress who supported the war. That plan was quickly voted down. The FBI documents show Kerry was, in fact, at that meeting. A Kerry spokesman said today that these events happened 30 years ago and the senator simply misspoke.' "

[submarinerswife]

bump

[tophat9000]

Side point...

So what to do? First, of course, report it for my employer, CBS News. But the story required a longer telling than broadcast time permits. As a liberal, it had occurred to me that raising questions about Al Hubbard might hurt the antiwar movement, but as a journalist, it didn't seem that that should be a factor. I was wrong. No one would touch the story. Not David Sanford of the New Republic; not any other editor of any liberal publication, I contacted.

The bad old days when the "Free speech" liberals control all major media and guarded that only there information helpful to there side would make the news

[Blood of Tyrants]

Once again, we see that the truth doesn't matter to the left when it will get in the way of ther agenda.