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Pleasure boat carrying guns seized in New York Harbor
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-nj--boatseized0829aug29,0,4934923.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire ^

Posted on 08/29/2004 2:17:56 PM PDT by Stew Padasso

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To: LocalYokel

The chances of coasties impounding a man's floating home because he kept weapons for home protection is very close to zero.
I based my opinion based on likelyhoods of the facts presented in the article. I don't see the need for an exercise in conjecture.


61 posted on 08/29/2004 5:17:35 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (John Kerry - ready to do his "doodie" to his country yet again!)
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To: MizSterious
Or if you do, please don't call the Coast Guard next time you and your boat are in trouble. Those "goons" save a lot of lives.

I once stood watch over a fisherman with an M-16 while he and his crew were cuffed to the deck. The cox'n harrassed them and went over the boat with a fine-toothed comb while the townfolk shouted obscenities at us.

The vessel's owner had reported it stolen, but his crew had only taken it out into the bay to escape swarms of mosquitos. A misunderstanding that could easily have been cleared up over a PA or VHF.

The cox'n wanted them to dock so he could give them his psychojackass routine, absolutely disgraceful. I did other LE incidents with this same goon, but this one was his shining moment.

Sure the CG saves lots of lives, but sometimes they ARE goons.

62 posted on 08/29/2004 5:38:23 PM PDT by Spirochete
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To: 4woodenboats

I always had a 12 gauge and a 45 auto on board, and I was only a bayman in the Great South Bay I docked in East Islip


63 posted on 08/29/2004 5:42:26 PM PDT by Gone_Postal (government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take it away)
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To: paul51
Would you take your family out into open sea without firearms on board? Have, would, will be....what in the world do you think is going to happen, someone racing up to me at 8 knots, then, after stealing all our bottled water, canned chili and fishing lures, make a quick getaway to....WHERE? Where is he gonna hide? There's no 7-11s to rob out there, and no crack houseboat sitting offshore waiting to pawn the booty! Go down to your local marina and see how many people have shotguns and AK47s loaded in their dockcarts along with the ice chests, groceries, beer and bait. It is unlikely you will ever see one. Burglary is an entirely different matter. Leaving an arsenal such as the one confiscated aboard a boat is an excellent method of arming your local drug addicts. Keeping a well hiden handgun, and mooring your boat in a marina that allows liveaboards who tend to keep an eye out for their neighbors possesions can reduce the likleyhood of your firearms finding a new owner. The "open sea" is one of the safest places in the world to be, and also one of the most closly monitored by the coast guard and commercial mariners. Hell, they caught this guy, didn't they? And he was nowhere near the open sea.
64 posted on 08/29/2004 5:56:35 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (John Kerry - ready to do his "doodie" to his country yet again!)
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To: 4woodenboats
Ok. Go ahead and head off to the Caribbean with your canned chile and if you meet up with any trouble, throw a fishing lure at it. Personally, I'd want a little more defensive power on board. A 12 guage, a 30 caliber rifle and an AK 47 along with a couple of handguns would fit the bill for me. A fishing rod and a can of chile wouldn't. I sail out of Florida several times a year. Would consider it very foolish to go unarmed.
65 posted on 08/29/2004 6:12:09 PM PDT by paul51
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To: varon

Anyone who is travelling by yacht outside the US (Caribbean, Central/South America, South Pacific, anywhere along Africa and the southern Mediterranean and the Greek Isles) would be well advised to carry arms. Pirates wanting to steal your boat and/or your valuables are numerous and deadly, and there is no 911 response within a few minutes - only day(s) if you are lucky.


66 posted on 08/29/2004 6:17:38 PM PDT by cinives (Proud parent of a homeschooler.)
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To: 4woodenboats

I rather have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have one


67 posted on 08/29/2004 6:20:28 PM PDT by Gone_Postal (government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take it away)
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To: Stew Padasso
operating without navigation lights near Governors Island around 2 a.m.

I guess that's one way to draw attention to yourself.

68 posted on 08/29/2004 6:20:54 PM PDT by csvset
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To: Gone_Postal
That's for sure. A vessel defense plan that is based on calling the coast guard or commercial traffic in the area is about as wise as a home defense plan based on calling 911 or the neighbors
69 posted on 08/29/2004 7:05:08 PM PDT by paul51
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To: ninenot

I didn't think about that!....but you've got a good point. BAD time to be in the area, with malfunctioning lights, and guns on board.


70 posted on 08/29/2004 7:33:49 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: paul51

I already stated that I've brought firearms when cruising out of the country. Why are you trying to twist my posts?
Later


71 posted on 08/29/2004 9:21:08 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (John Kerry - ready to do his "doodie" to his country yet again!)
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To: 4woodenboats
Why are you trying to twist my posts?

Heck, I don't know. I guess it's just my nature.

72 posted on 08/29/2004 9:59:26 PM PDT by paul51
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To: Phsstpok
I don't think that there are too many pirates in New York Harbor!!!!!!!

No New York tax collectors there?

73 posted on 08/30/2004 6:03:28 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Travis McGee
Trav, is this you? $;-)
74 posted on 08/30/2004 9:22:41 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: 4woodenboats; varon; Joe Brower

This story is crap. The fact is, the open ocean is a great "open range." If you live in NY, you may have to travel for hours to get to an open range where you can plink away in a non-restrictive environment.

"Ready on the right, ready on the left" ranges are okay, but can't compare to blasting away.

The beauty of shooting on the ocean is that if you have a clear horizon all around, your bullets and sounds can't cause any harm or alarm. You can see much farther than your bullets or sounds can travel.

Plus, you can clearly see your white splashes, so you get a wonderful sense of the time it takes for your shots to get out to extreme ranges. For example, you really can grasp how much faster a .223 (5.56mm) is than a .22LR rimrire!

I would take out small party balloons, and use them for targets. They stick to the water, and don't blow away. So as you drive along at slow speed, your targets get smaller and farther away. You fire away, until they are popped,or are out of range and have "escaped." If you miss, you see exactly where your shot fell by the splash. Great fun!


75 posted on 08/30/2004 9:39:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: cinives; paul51

The problem with boats on board when traveling in dangerous areas is the response they get when you clear customs in most countries.

Outside of the USA, guns are often treated in an hysterical manner. You might as well put on your form "2 punds of heroin" or "2 pounds of C-4" as put down "2 semi-auto rifles."

This leads to endless hassles, such as having to pay for armed bonded guards to transport your "arsenal" to a govt. facility for safe lockup. Then after you're finished in that country, you have to pay to get them transported back by armed guards. $$$$$$$$$$$

Or, you can hide them and not declare them, and risk getting caught and charged with arms smuggling, lose your boat, and spend 20 or 30 years in a Mexican or Indonesian prison.

It's a lot more complicated than just the American philosophical arguement over whether to defend yourself with guns or not. It's a huge legal hassle overseas.


76 posted on 08/30/2004 9:44:56 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Stew Padasso

This wasn't the Soprano's boat, was it?


77 posted on 08/30/2004 9:48:53 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: Travis McGee
Sounds like mucho fun. Next time you find yourself sailing along the gulf coast of Florida, give me a shout and we can try it out! $;-)
78 posted on 08/30/2004 9:53:35 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: tsmith130
Weekly Piracy Report

Here's an example:

21.08.2004 at 0400 L/T in posn 02:53N - 108:00E, about 15 nm se of Midai island, Indonesia / South China Sea.

Seven pirates armed with guns, long knives and steel bars boarded a container ship underway. They took duty crew on bridge as hostages and ordered ship's speed to be reduced. They destroyed communication equipment and took an A/B to master's cabin, broke open the door and stole ship's cash and master's personal effects. Finally they took master to poop deck and fled at 0420 in a waiting boat. Master sustained injuries.


79 posted on 08/30/2004 9:59:04 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Stew Padasso

It might interest you to know that the MCClure-Volkmer bill, which had the 11th hour ban on new machine guns added to it, FAILED to have the ban added by majority vote! It was a simple, unrecorded voice vote in the House of Reps, and CLEARLY lost. However, then-Speaker Tip O'Neal proclaimed that it passed, and because of the rules of Parlimentary procedure (and Republican timidity!) no one could challenge that BLATANT lie. If you can find an audio recording of that vote on the web, LISTEN to it - the amendment was never actually passed!


80 posted on 08/30/2004 10:57:57 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...)
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